Mr. Bouhe.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did she tell you why, either at this time or any other time? Did you learn from Marina why she moved from Leningrad, from St. Petersburg to Minsk?

Mr. Bouhe.

To the best of my knowledge, I do not recall.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you discuss at that time Oswald's trip to the Soviet Union? Let me ask you this, Mr. Bouhe. Did you discuss--let's not just limit your discussion in this regard to the first meeting, but looking back over your entire knowledge of Oswald, when I ask you these questions as to what you discussed at these meetings with him, and let's cover your discussions with Oswald and your knowledge of his background, and we will go back and pick up the other times when you met him.
Let me ask you if you at this time or subsequent meetings discussed with Oswald the reasons for him going to the Soviet Union?

Mr. Bouhe.

I did not at that meeting.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you subsequently discuss with him?

Mr. Bouhe.

I did not discuss it because I know I will antagonize him, and I could get a conclusion of my own, right or wrong, and my conclusion on that is that he is, if I may so call him, a rebel against society.
Meaning, even if it is good, "I don't like it." That conclusion came into my head after maybe a few weeks, and after I first met him, because following his movements. Either he goes into the Marines, voluntarily apparently, then he quits. That is no good. He goes into the football team in his high school, and he quits. He doesn't like that.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he tell you that?

Mr. Bouhe.

Not about a football team, but in the Marines he said he didn't like it.

Mr. Liebeler.

Where did you learn about the football?

Mr. Bouhe.

In the press after the assassination.

Mr. Liebeler.

Let's confine your conversations just to what you learned from him or what you inferred yourself from observing Oswald.
Let me ask you specifically if Oswald ever discussed with you the job that he had while he was in the Soviet Union?

Mr. Bouhe.

Only I could pull out fragmentary information, and frankly I didn't press him because he was sort of reluctant to talk. I don't remember what he really said, except that he worked in a sheet metal factory.
But what I was interested and asked frequently is, what is the economic aspect and the social aspect of life of a man like he in the Soviet Union.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you ask him how much he was paid for his work?

Mr. Bouhe.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he tell you?

Mr. Bouhe.

Well, he certainly did tell me, and I think he said 90 rubles.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he tell you that that was all the income that he had while he was in Russia?

Mr. Bouhe.

That was all he said, and he even went further when I asked him, "Well, out of that, what do you have to pay out?"
Well, he says, "The rent was free." So he didn't pay for the rent.
I said, "What did you get as rent?"
"Well, it was an old factory building."
I don't know what he called old, or if it was a big room separated by a flimsy partition.

Mr. Liebeler.

This is the place where he lived?

Mr. Bouhe.

That's correct.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you have a feeling, or did he tell you, did he have quarters similar to the ordinary Russian people who have similar jobs, or did he appear to have better quarters?

Mr. Bouhe.

That I did not ask him. But I wanted to go through 90 rubles, if that was the figure, and see what you can get, and so he comes out, that I remember, and brings me a pair of shoes or boots which he bought, cracked-up leather uppers.

Mr. Liebeler.

Pretty sad pair of boots?

Mr. Bouhe.

Pretty sad pair of boots here, and the tops--which were famous