Mr. Clark.

Knowing George, he's liable to say anything whether he believed it or not because he talks very loudly and sometimes without thinking; most of the time he does that.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you form any opinion of Oswald during the time that you spoke to him and on the basis of things you heard about him as to whether he was mentally unstable or not?

Mr. Clark.

It didn't enter my mind he was mentally unstable. I just thought he was a person that he couldn't get along with anybody or anyone. He just seemed to be a person that believed everyone else in the world was out of step but himself.

Mr. Liebeler.

And this is about the only opinion you formed of him?

Mr. Clark.

Well, I just thought--I didn't think--well, I just felt that this is a guy that just was never going to be able to do anything because he couldn't get along with anybody and he just, he was--didn't seem to know what he wanted to do or what he wanted to have and he was a completely shiftless individual.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you know Jack Ruby?

Mr. Clark.

Never heard of him until all this happened.

Mr. Liebeler.

You don't know of any connection between Oswald and Ruby?

Mr. Clark.

I wouldn't have any reason of knowing whether he did or did not.

Mr. Liebeler.

And you don't know of any connection between the two?
Mr. CLANK, No; I don't.

Mr. Liebeler.

Were you surprised when you heard that Oswald had been arrested in connection with the assassination?

Mr. Clark.

I was very surprised because it never entered my mind in the first place and the last we had heard, he was in New Orleans or some place like that. He had left Dallas. We didn't even know he returned to Dallas.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you think based on your knowledge of Oswald that he was capable of committing an act such as he was charged to have committed?

Mr. Clark.

Definitely; I think he would have done this to President Kennedy or anyone else if he felt that it would make him infamous.

Mr. Liebeler.

You have the feeling that his motivation was simply to call attention to himself?

Mr. Clark.

I do. I think it was primarily to go down in history because he seemed to think he was destined to go down in history some way or other.

Mr. Liebeler.

Have you now told us everything that you recall about Oswald and the conversations that you had with him? I don't have any more questions at the moment but if you can think of anything that you think the Commission should know or anything you want to add to what you said, go right ahead.

Mr. Clark.

It is extremely difficult to remember because there has been so much printed and so much said so it is hard with 1- or 2-hour conversations over 2 years ago to remember what was discussed and to separate it from what you formed an opinion on since then. So, it is extremely difficult to say. I think I covered everything. At the time when I talked with him I was very interested in learning what it was like in Russia and I asked many questions of Oswald primarily concerned with what life was like in Russia.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you remember in any greater detail than you already testified about these hunting trips or any association with firearms?

Mr. Clark.

The question of firearms did not come up. He just indicated he and Marina would go out in the fields and walk around. I don't recall whether he said he went hunting. I am not a hunter; it doesn't interest me a bit. If he said he was hunting it probably would not have registered on me.

Mr. Liebeler.

He did not indicate any peculiar or strong interest in firearms to you at that time?

Mr. Clark.

Not at that time.

Mr. Liebeler.

He never indicated that to you at any time?

Mr. Clark.

No; not at any time; no, sir.

Mr. Liebeler.

Mr. Clark, have you ever engaged in any conversations with any members of the Russian community or heard of any conversations amongst them concerning the question of whether or not Oswald might have been a Russian agent?

Mr. Clark.

Most of the Russian group were concerned about Oswald and Marina. It seemed that the older of the Russian group, that is, the ones that