Mr. Clark.

Yes; and he indicated to me that he had really given Oswald a real lashing about it.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you have any idea when that was?

Mr. Clark.

It's bound to have been in--sometime after the first of January, sometime in the spring of 1963.

Mr. Liebeler.

How do you fix that date in your mind?

Mr. Clark.

Well, I know that the only time that we saw Oswald and Marina was in October of 1962, before she left for Dallas and I don't think that George De Mohrenschildt had come in contact with Oswald and Marina much before that time. I know that when they moved to Dallas, the Oswalds, George De Mohrenschildt, we would hear, would take Oswald and Marina around or had them over to his apartment several times and I know that during the Christmas holidays of 1962 they had a big party, the Russian group had, a party at the Ford's house around the 26th or 27th of December. We were invited but we were skiing and didn't go.

Mr. Liebeler.

Off the record.
(Off record discussion.)

Mr. Clark.

So, getting back to that party--so we didn't go to the party at the Fords. I have heard that George De Mohrenschildt is the one that took the Oswalds to the Ford party and that he saw them off and on after that and that during that period of time we would hear in Fort Worth that Oswald had beat Marina up and that she had to run off, and quite a bit of physical violence, and that George finally got hold of Oswald and threatened him--picked him up by his shirt and shook him like a dog and told him he would really work him over if he ever laid another hand on her.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you think that was some time after the Ford party?

Mr. Clark.

I feel pretty sure it was. I have nothing to tie it to but I think it was.

Mr. Liebeler.

How often did you see De Mohrenschildt during the period January 1, 1963, to the time he left for Haiti?

Mr. Clark.

I do not recall exactly when he left for Haiti.

Mr. Liebeler.

I think it was in May sometime.

Mr. Clark.

I know one time during that period I think George went to Pennsylvania or New York.

Mr. Liebeler.

Yes; that's right, I believe.

Mr. Clark.

I would say we would see them at least once every 2 or 3 weeks maybe. He might drop over to the office in Fort Worth on the way through. I think he did that a couple times and we would either see him at his apartment or he would come to our house. We saw him once a month or maybe more.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you remember in April 1963, there was an attempt made on the life of General Walker?

Mr. Clark.

Oh, yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you see De Mohrenschildt after that?

Mr. Clark.

I am sure I did. If he left in May I feel sure I saw him shortly before he left for Haiti.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you recall discussing the attempt on General Walker with De Mohrenschildt?

Mr. Clark.

No; there would be no reason. We seldom discussed or talked politics.

Mr. Liebeler.

You have no recollection that he mentioned Oswald in connection with the Walker attempt at that time?

Mr. Clark.

At that time it was the furthest thing because I don't think that George De Mohrenschildt and I even mentioned Oswald in any of our conversations, parties or get-togethers at any time unless it was just someone made a comment about Marina getting beat up about the only comment we had.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you have any question about De Mohrenschildt's loyalty to the United States?

Mr. Clark.

None; I think he talks a lot and I think he is a character but I don't think he is disloyal in any respect.

Mr. Liebeler.

Would it surprise you to hear that he was of the opinion that the FBI was responsible for the assassination and that Oswald was just a "patsy" in the thing?