Mr. Liebeler.

He was about 14 years old?

Mrs. Sawyer.

I would say he must have been about 14. I say he was a little boy because I am sure he was an early teenager. Of course, as I say, I have lost track of time then. I was wondering how old he actually is or was.

Mr. Liebeler.

Is the address of this place 126 Exchange Place?

Mrs. Sawyer.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

It is not in Exchange Alley?

Mrs. Sawyer.

It is Exchange Place, and Exchange Place and Exchange Alley are one and the same thing. Years ago they used to be called Exchange Alley.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you know what Mrs. Oswald did for a living?

Mrs. Sawyer.

Yes. That much I do know, because I believe she was working as a clerk in Kreeger's, but I am not positive. I have been trying to think since I had to come here, and she left there, and I believe she either went to Gold-ring's or Godchaux's--I don't remember which--because she met me on the street one day and asked if I was buying any clothes and would I not come by and buy from her so that she might get the commission or show me something I might be interested in. In fact, I never did go; I never did buy, though. I never did go to her for anything.

Mr. Liebeler.

The only two people that lived in the apartment were Mrs. Oswald and this boy? Is that right?

Mrs. Sawyer.

That is all.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you know how big an apartment it was?

Mrs. Sawyer.

Well, I imagine it consisted of about the same size or same things as the one that we have; that is, a large living room, combination dining room or a little dining alcove, and a small bath, a small kitchen, and a rather large bedroom with large closet space, and I am sure seeing it, well, I would say the stretch of the building going up the stairway, I would say that it was the same thing, or close to it anyway. I am sure it had the same dimensions.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you remember anything about Lee Oswald, the boy that lived there? I think you told the FBI that he would always get home before his mother and he was very quiet.

Mrs. Sawyer.

Well, I say I am not certain that he always got home before his mother. I imagine he came home from school, because, as I say, occasionally I met him going up and down the stairway or at the door or something like that, but he was not a boisterous child and undoubtedly he was not an unruly child, because I am sure if he had been and she had scolded him we would have heard it unless it was very low voiced and----

Mr. Liebeler.

And you never did hear any arguments between them or any scolding?

Mrs. Sawyer.

No.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he seem to be polite?

Mrs. Sawyer.

Yes; quite polite. I mean, in fact, that was one. of the things that impressed me about him, because most kids these days, especially the teenagers, are usually so abrupt. They don't think very much of manners, but, in fact, if I happened to come in and he was out at the doorway, he held the door and closed it after me, or something like that, and I thought it was rather nice, but I never got into any conversations with him, because I make it a point that, outside of my own circle of friends, I don't really care to become friendly with other people, and I think neighbors especially.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you know whether he had any friends from school or any-place come to visit him, people his own age? Did you see anyone come and go?

Mrs. Sawyer.

I never did, but then, like I say, I am out from 8 o'clock in the morning until maybe 5:30, 6, or 7 in the evening, and sometimes I get a snack and go back to work again and work until maybe 9 o'clock or so.

Mr. Liebeler.

What were you doing at that time? Were you working?

Mrs. Sawyer.

Secretary.

Mr. Liebeler.

Secretarial work?

Mrs. Sawyer.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Are you employed as a secretary now, too?

Mrs. Sawyer.

I do secretarial work or general or anything like that that I am qualified to do. Well, anything along those lines.