Mr. Liebeler.

Did you talk to her?

Mr. Murret.

Not in clear English, but made signs and so forth, and I actually didn't want to, you know, get involved, but I actually couldn't speak to her, you know.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you form an opinion as to whether or not Marina could speak English?

Mr. Murret.

No; I don't think she could, and I was amazed how fast that she did pick it up, you know, when she was on television and so forth.

Mr. Liebeler.

After the assassination----

Mr. Murret.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

You observed a distinct and surprising improvement in her use of the English language, did you not?

Mr. Murret.

Definitely.

Mr. Liebeler.

From the time that you saw her in New Orleans here in the summer of 1963 until the time that she appeared on television after the assassination?

Mr. Murret.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you have occasion to observe Lee Oswald and Marina together?

Mr. Murret.

Around the television; yes. I think that is about the only time.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you form any opinion as to how they got along with each other?

Mr. Murret.

To me they got along pretty well, they got along pretty well. In fact, they had a television program on one day--I forget what it was, on a Friday night--pertaining to a circus, and it was in Russia, and they were pretty well enthused about it being it was Russian, and it was the first time they had ever seen something like that. In fact, I think they had either the Olympics or some sort of sporting event in Russia at the time, and they were quite impressed, because it was the first time they had ever seen something like this, but other than that, it seemed like they got along pretty well. I didn't see anything out of the ordinary, I guess.

Mr. Liebeler.

There was never any indication of strain or hostility in their relationship, as far as you could tell?

Mr. Murret.

No, sir; not that I could see.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you ever discuss politics----

Mr. Murret.

No, sir.

Mr. Liebeler.

With Oswald at all?

Mr. Murret.

No.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you ever hear him mention President Kennedy?

Mr. Murret.

No, sir.

Mr. Liebeler.

Or Governor Connally?

Mr. Murret.

No, sir.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you form an opinion about Oswald's general character from your observations and experience with him in 1963?

Mr. Murret.

In the summer of 1963?

Mr. Liebeler.

Yes.

Mr. Murret.

Actually, he probably didn't have any other choice of doing anything. It was kind of hard, I guess, for him to get along. Like I say, his appearance in general--I mean, just by looking at him, he just didn't have the clothes or anything to do anything right. In other words, everything that he did was wrong if he did go look for a job and get turned down and so forth. It was kind of hard for him after a bit. Someone would have helped him, but he didn't actually need any help. He wanted to do it on his own. You could have helped him, you know, but he just didn't want any help. He wouldn't ask for anything, I know that, he wouldn't ask for anything.

Mr. Liebeler.

He struck you as sort of an independent, proud sort of fellow?

Mr. Murret.

He was proud, there is no doubt about it. He was proud.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you think he was a fairly bright fellow, or did you form an opinion about his intelligence?

Mr. Murret.

He was bright and he impressed me you know, bright in a different sense of the word. Now whether he thought in the right direction, I really don't know, but he was--but he improved particularly, you know,