Mrs. Murret.

and, you see, they allow a speaker over there at that school so many times a year, and he said maybe Lee could speak on his experiences in Russia.

Mr. Jenner.

Then there was a discussion in advance of Lee's going over there about his speaking, is that right?

Mrs. Murret.

Only that he might speak about his experiences in Russia is all. There wasn't anything else arranged that I know of, I don't think.

Mr. Jenner.

Was this m a conversation between you and your son?

Mrs. Murret.

No, by letter that was.

Mr. Jenner.

By letter?

Mrs. Murret.

Yes. We never would get to see Gene, you see, unless we would go over there. He wasn't supposed to call us on the phone or anything like that. But they do allow you to visit every so often.

Mr. Jenner.

Is he allowed to call you by telephone if it's important and he gets permission?

Mrs. Murret.

No, he's not supposed to use the phone to call home.

Mr. Jenner.

But he may write you?

Mrs. Murret.

Yes, and then we visit so many times a year--I mean, we go up there, but that's all. Now, we call him, like on holidays and things like that. We are allowed to do that.

Mr. Jenner.

But he can't call you?

Mrs. Murret.

No, he can't call us.

Mr. Jenner.

Why is that?

Mrs. Murret.

Well, they just don't like it.

Mr. Jenner.

Do they like you to call up there? In other words, do they mind if you call him?

Mrs. Murret.

I don't think they like it, but, like I said, on holidays or something we can do it.

Mr. Jenner.

Was that one of the rules of the school authorities over there?

Mrs. Murret.

I guess so, because otherwise Gene would call us.

Mr. Jenner.

All right. Now, tell me about your trip over there just what happened?

Mrs. Murret.

Well, when I saw Lee coming out of the house to get in the car, it was a hot day, and he had this flannel shirt on, and I said, "Oh, Lee, let me give you another shirt that won't be so uncomfortable," but be wouldn't accept another shirt. He kept the flannel shirt on, and that's the way he went over there. He didn't want me to get him another shirt. He just wouldn't accept favors from anybody. He was so independent. Well, anyway, we got over there, and that night we were going to meet.

Mr. Jenner.

That's you and your husband?

Mrs. Murret.

And Joyce.

Mr. Jenner.

Joyce, your daughter?

Mrs. Murret.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

And her two children?

Mrs. Murret.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

And Lee and Marina, and their child June?

Mrs. Murret.

Yes, and Ron and Jill.

Mr. Jenner.

And Ron and Jill?

Mrs. Murret.

Yes, they are Joyce's children, and Mr. Murret paid all the expenses, including the motel rooms and the meals, and so forth. Now, when Lee and Marina came out from freshening up, they looked real nice. I was really surprised, especially at Marina. She had got herself all dressed up, and she looked like a different person, and he was very attentive too to Marina.

Mr. Jenner.

Always?

Mrs. Murret.

Always. Now, what he did at home how he acted around her there, I don't know, but when he was in my presence he was very attentive to her and very well mannered. He would, I mean, open the car door for her, and so forth--very attentive. He would pull the chair out for her and things like that. He was very well mannered. I have to say that for him.

Mr. Jenner.

What was her attitude toward him?

Mrs. Murret.

Well, she seemed the same way. They seemed to get along very nicely together, I thought, when they were here in New Orleans. They would take a ride out the French Market and buy some crabs and some shrimp and come