Mr. Hawkins.

No, sir; he did not.

Mr. Ball.

Did Oswald say anything during this struggle?

Mr. Hawkins.

I don't recall anything he said during the struggle---I do recall some remarks that he made about--that he had certain rights and that he would see "about this police brutality" or some remark he made about--that he had rights and he wasn't being handled right or something of this nature.

Mr. Ball.

Did you see anybody strike Oswald during the struggle except in the gabbing and holding of him--I know you grabbed him and held him, but did you see anybody strike him a blow?

Mr. Hawkins.

No, sir; I did not see anyone strike him a blow.

Mr. Ball.

Afterwards, did you notice any marks on Oswald's face?

Mr. Hawkins.

I did notice, not at that time, but I did notice, however, after I saw him on television that he had a bruise on the right side of his face.

Mr. Ball.

Did you see that bruise there at the theatre?

Mr. Hawkins.

Not at the theatre; no, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Were you with the group of officers that took him from the theatre?

Mr. Hawkins.

I was walking with the group--I was not immediately beside Oswald. At this time, I believe, Officer Walker and possibly Officer Lyons and Paul Bentley and I don't remember, but I believe those three were one of the three and maybe Sergeant Hill. We handcuffed him and after we had handcuffed him we walked him out to the left and immediately to the car in front. They put him in the car--I was standing beside the car and then I worked traffic for them to get out.

Mr. Ball.

As he was going out of the theatre, was he shouting or yelling?

Mr. Hawkins.

Was he?

Mr. Ball.

Yes.

Mr. Hawkins.

I don't remember him saying anything except this about that he had certain rights and the police brutality.

Mr. Ball.

Did he say that as he was leaving the theatre, or did he say that in the theatre?

Mr. Hawkins.

It seemed like we were still in the theatre. After we got outside, I couldn't hear him say anything. There was a large crowd out front and they all started yelling when we came out the front door.

Mr. Ball.

A witness testified yesterday that as the police brought Oswald from the theatre to the car, that two men were standing beside him, were walking beside him, and that another officer had his arm around his neck and under his chin so as to close his mouth--did you see anything like that?

Mr. Hawkins.

I don't remember seeing this. I walked out--the best I can remember--I was behind the group and there were at least three officers, I am sure, directly around him and maybe more, but I was behind him and walked up behind him--I don't recall anyone having him around the neck at that time.

Mr. Ball.

Did you do any more work on the investigation of the assassination of the President or the killing of Tippit?

Mr. Hawkins.

No, sir; the only thing I did following this--we went to the personnel bureau and made a statement, or wrote a report on the arrest, and that was the last thing I had done.

Mr. Ball.

Did you see the pistol at the personnel bureau?

Mr. Hawkins.

Yes, sir; I did.

Mr. Ball.

Did you see McDonald mark it?

Mr. Hawkins.

Did I see McDonald mark it?

Mr. Ball.

Yes.

Mr. Hawkins.

Yes, sir; McDonald, and I believe Sergeant Hill marked it or possibly Bob Carroll. There were, I believe, two people who marked it.

Mr. Ball.

Did you see anybody unload the gun?

Mr. Hawkins.

No, sir; not unload it. I believe the gun was unloaded whenever I got there, but they put Oswald in the car and three or four men rode with him and then Officer Baggett and I came back to the station and it was probably 30 to 45 minutes after they got there that we arrived at the station.

Mr. Ball.

Did you see the bullets?

Mr. Hawkins.

I saw the bullets--yes, sir.