Mr. Smith.

Saw Oswald running and policeman falling.

Mr. Ball.

Did you see his face, or just his back?

Mr. Smith.

Saw the side of him, the side and back of him when he was running.

Mr. Ball.

Did you see him before he ran?

Mr. Smith.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

Saw the side of his face?

Mr. Smith.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

And he ran in what direction?

Mr. Smith.

West.

Mr. Ball.

Did you follow him?

Mr. Smith.

No, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Did you go down to where the policeman was shot?

Mr. Smith.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

What did you see?

Mr. Smith.

Saw the policeman lying on the ground. I mean on the street.

Mr. Ball.

And did a crowd gather around there?

Mr. Smith.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

How long did you stay there?

Mr. Smith.

About 45 minutes.

Mr. Ball.

Did you give your name to the police?

Mr. Smith.

No, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Why?

Mr. Smith.

Because I was on probation. I thought it might hurt my probation record.

Mr. Ball.

All right; you did tell someone you had seen it, didn't you?

Mr. Smith.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

Who?

Mr. Smith.

This boy I ran around with.

Mr. Ball.

What's his name?

Mr. Smith.

James Markham.

Mr. Ball.

Is he the son of Helen Markham?

Mr. Smith.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Did you talk to her?

Mr. Smith.

No, sir; she talks to me.

Mr. Ball.

Mrs. Markham talked to you?

Mr. Smith.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

And did you tell Mrs. Markham?

Mr. Smith.

I told her what I saw and that is the reason I am here, I a----

Mr. Ball.

Did the police come out and see you?

Mr. Smith.

The FBI.

Mr. Ball.

The FBI did? Did you tell them the same story you told me?

Mr. Smith.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Now, did you see Oswald on television?

Mr. Smith.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

On the night of the shooting?

Mr. Smith.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Did it appear to you to be the same man you had seen?

Mr. Smith.

He had lighter hair than he did when I saw him.

Mr. Ball.

Well, now, wait a minute. You mean the man you saw on television----

Mr. Smith.

Had lighter hair.

Mr. Ball.

Mr. Smith--than the man you saw running away?

Mr. Smith.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

Is that right?

Mr. Smith.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

What color hair did the man have that you saw running away?

Mr. Smith.

Brown, brownish-black. It was dark.

Mr. Ball.

How did the hair appear on television?

Mr. Smith.

Looked blond.

Mr. Ball.

Were you later shown a picture of Oswald?

Mr. Smith.

Yes, sir.