Mr. Ball.

Describe what you saw at that time--I want to know how they had ahold of him?

Mr. Gibson.

Well, right after they took him to the floor, as I said, he had a gun in his hand and I turned around and walked back into the lobby, the front part of the theatre, and just right after I walked out into the lobby, one of the policemen yelled, "Lock the doors," and so I walked up and started locking the doors and the head usher, Butch, came running out and he started at one end and I started at the other end. There was six or eight doors in the front, and we locked them up and then they brought Oswald through the door-- there was two police officers that had ahold of him, and his arms were bent around behind him--like so [indicating].

Mr. Ball.

And did the officer have his arm around his neck?

Mr. Gibson.

I don't know--I don't think so--he did have a black eye and his shirt was about halfway torn off of him.

Mr. Ball.

Did you hear Oswald say anything?

Mr. Gibson.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

What did he say?

Mr. Gibson.

He said, "I protest police brutality."

Mr. Ball.

At any time did you see an officer, while the officers were struggling, with Oswald, did you see an officer strike Oswald with the butt of a shotgun?

Mr. Gibson.

No, sir; I didn't.

Mr. Ball.

Did you see a shotgun in the hands of any of the officers who were struggling with Oswald?

Mr. Gibson.

No, sir; I didn't.

Mr. Ball.

Did you see any officer in possession of a shotgun in the theatre?

Mr. Gibson.

Oh--yes, yes; I saw quite a few in possession of a shotgun

Mr. Ball.

Were there any officers with shotguns near Oswald when he was struggling with these other officers?

Mr. Gibson.

Gee, I don't know--that I couldn't say--because like I say, when they took him down to the floor, all I could--or I should say down--I turned around and went back to the front.

Mr. Ball.

Did you see the police talk to the other patrons of the theatre?

Mr. Gibson.

Well, as I said, the only thing that they said to me--the first policeman that I saw in the theatre was right after the lights came on and he asked me if there was anyone upstairs, but I can't definitely say I saw them talking to anybody.

Mr. Ball.

Well, did any officers talk to you afterwards and get your name and address?

Mr. Gibson.

No.

Mr. Ball.

Did you see them take the name and address of anybody else?

Mr. Gibson.

No, sir; right after they put Lee Oswald in the police car and drove off, I walked outside and went back over to the store.

Mr. Ball.

I understood that one group of the police headed for Oswald?

Mr. Gibson.

Well, I don't believe they really headed for him--I believe they just started down through the theatre. From what the boy told me--Johnny Pardis told me, he followed him into the theatre and he went upstairs, and I believe this is why all the policemen went upstairs. I don't think they really headed for him. I mean, they just evidently, as I said, all of them went upstairs, with the exception of a small majority, say 6 or 8, maybe 12 downstairs and inside the theatre there.

Mr. Ball.

Did they pass you on their way?

Mr. Gibson.

You mean up the stairs?

Mr. Ball.

No; the smaller party that was downstairs.

Mr. Gibson.

No; I was standing on this far side right next to the wall.

Mr. Ball.

And they were in an aisle over there?

Mr. Gibson.

Well, actually, they were two or three aisles over--there's two big main aisles, and then there's another small aisle that runs down the wall.

Mr. Ball.

Was there any other patron of the theatre along the way that they went?

Mr. Gibson.

I don't know this, as I said, for a fact--this is what a lady at the show told me. She sent Butch, the head usher up on the stage to guard the exit back there and where he come from I don't know, because as I said,