Mr. Gibson.

aisles, and then the next thing was--Oswald was standing in the aisle with a gun in his hand.

Mr. Ball.

That's the next thing you saw?

Mr. Gibson.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Was there anybody with him--near him?

Mr. Gibson.

I couldn't swear to that--I don't know--you mean other policemen?

Mr. Ball.

That's what I mean--was he in the aisles?

Mr. Gibson.

Well, he was in the aisle when I saw him.

Mr. Ball.

What was he doing?

Mr. Gibson.

Well, he had this pistol in his hand.

Mr. Ball.

Was anybody near him?

Mr. Gibson.

Just the officers.

Mr. Ball.

What was the officer doing--did you say officers or police officer?

Mr. Gibson.

Officers.

Mr. Ball.

Plural, officers?

Mr. Gibson.

Yes; there were more than one.

Mr. Ball.

What were they doing?

Mr. Gibson.

Well, they were going toward him.

Mr. Ball.

Did they have ahold of him at the time?

Mr. Gibson.

No; I don't believe so.

Mr. Ball.

Did anyone have ahold of him at that time?

Mr. Gibson.

I don't think so.

Mr. Ball.

Did you see any officer grab hold of Oswald?

Mr. Gibson.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Which one can you describe where he was and what he did--just tell us in your own words what you saw him do?

Mr. Gibson.

Well, just like I guess you have heard this a lot of times--the gun misfired--it clicked and about the same time there was one police officer that positively had him.

Mr. Ball.

What do you mean--"had him"?

Mr. Gibson.

Well, I mean he grabbed ahold of him.

Mr. Ball.

Did he grab ahold of him before you heard the click or afterwards?

Mr. Gibson.

Gee, that's a question that's kind of hard to answer because I would say possibly seconds before or a second--maybe at the precise time the gun clicked. It happened pretty fast and like I say, I just went in to eat a hot-dog for lunch and I wasn't expecting any of this.

Mr. Ball.

Did you see any officer strike Oswald?

Mr. Gibson.

No, sir; not directly; I saw them take him to the floor.

Mr. Ball.

Did you see Oswald strike any officer?

Mr. Gibson.

[Shaking head for negative answer.]

Mr. Ball.

You did not?

Mr. Gibson.

Not that I saw.

Mr. Ball.

Did you hear anybody say anything?

Mr. Gibson.

Well, I heard the officers, but I don't remember what they said--I couldn't tell you if my life depended on it.

Mr. Ball.

Did you hear Oswald say anything?

Mr. Gibson.

No.

Mr. Ball.

You mentioned the fact that they took him to the floor, you mean they actually went down in the floor of the theatre or close to it?

Mr. Gibson.

Well, from where I was standing and looking across--they took him to the floor.

Mr. Ball.

Were there any seats in the way when they fell?

Mr. Gibson.

No; I was standing up--yes; there was seats in the way, but I was looking at an angle.

Mr. Ball.

Did Oswald fall on the seats or on the floor?

Mr. Gibson.

They fell on the floor as best I could tell.

Mr. Ball.

Then what did you see happen?

Mr. Gibson.

I didn't see anything happen--I walked back to the front.

Mr. Ball.

Did you see Oswald leave the theatre?

Mr. Gibson.

Yes; I saw the officers bring him out.