Mr. Belin.

Was this also something that you took out?

Mr. Hill.

This would have been another of the shells, and the gun.

Mr. Belin.

I hand you four more bullets which have been marked as, I believe they are Commission Exhibit 518, but again I will withhold that identification.
I see the markings on this--let me see if I can see some "Q" numbers.
I see one Q-79. Do you see that, sergeant?

Mr. Hill.

Now that I know where to look, I can find it. It is going to be Q-79.
It has the initials CK. That is distinguishable on it. It has two X's near the identification number that are legible.
And it has other markings that is R something or "R-" that is apparently on some of the others.

Mr. Belin.

Do you see your name on that?

Mr. Hill.

My name is also on this, on the metal jacket portion of the shell.

Mr. Belin.

What kind of bullet is that?

Mr. Hill.

This is another Western .38 special with a copper-colored coating on the lead inside the bullet.

Mr. Belin.

Handing you Q-78.

Mr. Hill.

This is a .38 caliber Western shell with the identification mark Q-78, with the other markings of JH and CK on it, and also on the shell casing near the rear of the bullet is the name H-i-l-l, with which I marked it.

Mr. Belin.

Handing you Q-80.

Mr. Hill.

Okay. This is an R.-P. .38 shell with the identification number Q-80.
The initials CK and JH near the "Q" number on the jacket of this one. Also is the name H-i-l-l scratched into the metal, which I placed on it. And this one also is a plain lead shell.

Mr. Belin.

Handing you Q-81, do you see Q-81, on there?

Mr. Hill.

This is an R and P shell with the identification number Q-81, with the initials CK and JH scratched near the "Q" number.
On the side of this shell also is the word H-i-l-l, which was placed on this shell by me.
This is a .38 lead slug.

Mr. Belin.

What is the fact as to whether or not all of these slugs were removed from this gun which has been marked as Exhibit 143?
What is the fact as to whether or not all of those six were removed?

Mr. Hill.

All six of the slugs that were identified immediately previous to this point were removed from the gun, identified as Commission Exhibit 143, by me.

Mr. Belin.

What is the fact as to whether or not from the time this gun was handed to you until the time you removed these six bullets, this gun was in your possession?

Mr. Hill.

The gun remained in my possession until it, from the time it was given to me until the gun was marked and all the shells were marked. They remained in my personal possession. After they were marked, they were released by me to Detective T. L. Baker of the homicide bureau. He came to the personnel office and requested that they be given to him, and I marked them and turned them over to him at this point.

Mr. Belin.

All right, now, I want to return to the car, Sergeant Hill.
You stated that this gun was handed to you by----

Mr. Hill.

Detective Bob Carroll.

Mr. Belin.

Detective Bob Carroll when he got in?

Mr. Hill.

Yes.

Mr. Belin.

All right.
After he handed you--handed the gun to you, will you tell us what happened inside the car, or whether anyone made any remarks? And if you can, what happened in the car?

Mr. Hill.

We mostly got the car in motion, traveled to the first corner where we could make a right turn, made a right turn, traveled one block, made another right turn, continued down this street, and at this point we would have been going east until we reached Zangs Boulevard, and turned left onto Zangs.