Mr. Liebeler.

It is my understanding that you are employed by the Dallas Park Department and you are the grounds keeper of Dealey Plaza; is that correct?

Mr. Hudson.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Liebeler.

Were you the grounds keeper of Dealey Plaza on or about November 22, 1963.

Mr. Hudson.

Yes; I have been there about 6 years.

Mr. Liebeler.

Would you tell us where you were on November 22, 1963, at around noon, around the time the Presidential motorcade came by?

Mr. Hudson.

Yes; I was over there next to that T. & P. Railroad yard where the little toolshed was.

Mr. Liebeler.

What is the nearest intersection to where you were?

Mr. Hudson.

Elm.

Mr. Liebeler.

Elm and what?

Mr. Hudson.

Houston.

Mr. Liebeler.

Elm and Houston?

Mr. Hudson.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

How far away from the corner of Elm and Houston were you at the time the motorcade came by?

Mr. Hudson.

Oh, I suppose that it's about--the best I can estimate is somewhere about 200 yards, I guess, down Elm and Houston when the motorcade came along--that's about where I was.

Mr. Liebeler.

You were right by where the motorcade came by; is that right?

Mr. Hudson.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Liebeler.

Would you tell us to the best of your recollection what you saw and tell us just what happened when the motorcade came along?

Mr. Hudson.

Well, I was standing on those steps that came straight down to Elm there, just above that triple underpass, I was about halfway between the triple underpass and Houston, where the steps are somewhere near about halfway.

Mr. Liebeler.

I show you a photograph which is No. 18 of Commission Exhibit No. 875. It depicts the street and the triple underpass. Can you show us on, that picture, if that picture shows it the place where you were standing?

Mr. Hudson.

Let me see---- that's the triple underpass down there--I don't believe this picture gets-those steps--yes; it does, too--here they are---I recognize it now--here it is right here.

Mr. Liebeler.

Where are the steps?

Mr. Hudson.

Here they are right there.

Mr. Liebeler.

It is the series of steps that runs right down the-street there?

Mr. Hudson.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Can you show me just where you were standing?

Mr. Hudson.

Well, I was right along--you see, the steps come down the Steps for a way and then there is a broad place, oh, I'll say it is a little wider than this table here on the steps and then some steps and I was standing on this--that would be somewhere around along about there.

Mr. Liebeler.

Let me just mark on that picture the place where you were standing so that we can have that.

Mr. Hudson.

Right along about there.

Mr. Liebeler.

It was right here where I have placed this "X", is that correct?

Mr. Hudson.

Yes; right along in there.

Mr. Liebeler.

So, you were standing about where I placed the "X" on photograph No. 18 of Commission Exhibit No. 875. Tell me what you saw--tell me what happened to the best of your recollection.

Mr. Hudson.

Well, there was a young fellow, oh, I would judge his age about in his late twenties. He said he had been looking for a place to park and he walked up there and he said he finally just taken a place over there in one of them parking lots, and he come on down there and said he worked over there on Industrial and me and him both just sat down there first on those steps. When the motorcade turned off of Houston onto Elm, we got up and stood up, me and him both. He was on the left side and I was on the right and so the first shot rung out and, of course, I didn't realize it was a shot, what was taking place right at that present time, and when the second one rung out, the motorcade