Mr. Liebeler.

underpass than we had originally thought, because in the left-hand side of the picture you can see the steps coming down from the plaza.

Mrs. Baker.

It must have been right here in this area because these were the steps--I can't tell which sign is which, but I know there were four girls standing near the sign and it must have been back up here because there must have been another sign closer up.

Mr. Liebeler.

Looking at Hudson Exhibit No. 1, which was taken at the time of the assassination, it shows Dealey Plaza here and there are some steps that go down over here in the very background of the picture and they go down onto the sidewalk and it runs along past Elm Street here.

Mrs. Baker.

This would be the first sign here.

Mr. Liebeler.

The Stemmons Freeway sign.

Mrs. Baker.

This one over here the steps are already here.

Mr. Liebeler.

Yes; the steps are toward the background in Hudson Exhibit No. 1 and those appear to be the steps that are also toward the front left of Baker Exhibit No. 1.

Mrs. Baker.

It was probably back over this way.

Mr. Liebeler.

Yes, so the "X" on Baker Exhibit No. 1 is actually in the wrong place as far as these pictures here it is not correct--it should be further back on up here.

Mrs. Baker.

Yes; definitely.

Mr. Liebeler.

So, we will put a "Y" back up here toward the School Book Depository Building, and actually if you look at Commission Exhibit No. 354, you can see the steps coming right down to Elm Street.

Mrs. Baker.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

At the end of Dealey Plaza toward the Triple Underpass, and I think that those steps are the same steps we can see in the left front foreground of Baker Exhibit No. 1.

Mrs. Baker.

That's the sign right in there that big sign there, and I don't know--the sign would be here, you know.

Mr. Liebeler.

That's right, and the sign that we see in the very left front foreground of the picture would be the sign here that is toward the Triple Underpass from the steps to go down to Dealey Plaza on the right-hand side of Elm Street?

Mrs. Baker.

Yes; this is confusing.

Mr. Liebeler.

In any event, you are quite clear in your mind that you saw this thing hit before you heard the second shot?

Mrs. Baker.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

So, if what you saw hitting the street was, in fact, a bullet, it would have been the first shot?

Mrs. Baker.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you see anything else around the area of the Texas School Book Depository Building that day that you think might have anything to do with the assassination?

Mrs. Baker.

I don't know, but before the parade ever got there, someone passed out and I guess it would be to the left, coming down Elm Street over in this plaza between Elm Street and Main, because an ambulance pulled up and picked someone up-- we never could tell who. This was before the motorcade ever got to Houston Street--I would say onto Elm Street.

Mr. Liebeler.

About how long before the motorcade came did this ambulance come and pick up this person?

Mrs. Baker.

I'll judge 5 minutes--about 5 minutes.

Mr. Liebeler.

The ambulance had already left the area about 5 minutes before the Presidential motorcade came?

Mrs. Baker.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

What time did you come to work that morning; do you remember?

Mrs. Baker.

Well, it could have been 6:30 or 7, because I rode with daddy; my daddy works behind the Depository for the Katy Railroad and if he had to be there at 6, then I got there at 6, but that morning, I couldn't tell you, but whatever time daddy had to be at work, that's when I had to be there.