Mr. Liebeler.

Miss WILLIS. Yes; that was it.

Mr. Liebeler.

So you don't think there were any more shots after he got hit in the head?
Miss WILLIS. No.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you recognize the noises that you heard as shots right away?
Miss WILLIS. No; when the first shot rang out, I thought, well, it's probably fireworks, because everybody is glad the President is in town. Then I realized it was too loud and too close to be fireworks, and then when I saw, when I realized that the President was falling over, I knew he had been hit. But I didn't know how badly.

Mr. Liebeler.

Okay, I just wanted to ask you about whether you heard any shots after the President got hit in the head, and if you didn't hear any more shots, that is really all I wanted to ask you about. Thank you very much.
Miss WILLIS. All right.

Helen Markham
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Testimony of Helen Markham

The testimony of Helen Markham was taken at 10 a.m., on July 23, 1964, in the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building, Bryan and Ervay Streets, Dallas, Tex., by Mr. Wesley J. Liebeler, assistant counsel of the President's Commission.

Mr. Liebeler.

Will you stand and take the oath, please? Do you solemnly swear the testimony you are about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?

Mrs. Markham.

I do.

Mr. Liebeler.

My name is Wesley J. Liebeler [spelling] L-i-e-b-e-l-e-r. I am an attorney on the staff of the President's Commission investigating the assassination of President Kennedy. I have been authorized to take your testimony for the Commission pursuant to authority granted it by the President in Executive Order No. 11130, dated November 29, 1963, and joint resolution of Congress No. 137. I think you are somewhat familiar with the proceedings of the Commission because you have already testified before the Commission in Washington; is that right?

Mrs. Markham.

Yes; but you know, I don't know nothing about the Kennedys--President Kennedy.

Mr. Liebeler.

I understand you were there when Oswald shot Officer Tippit?

Mrs. Markham.

Yes; that's right.

Mr. Liebeler.

Since you are familiar with the Commission's procedure, I'll just go right into your testimony. I wanted to ask you some questions about some of the things you told the Commission when you appeared before it on March 26, 1964, when Mr. Ball took your testimony before the Commission.

Mrs. Markham.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you remember at that time that Mr. Ball asked you the question, "Did you ever talk to a New York lawyer who said he was from New York?" And that you answered, "No, sir." Mr. Ball then asked you, "Did you ever talk to a lawyer who was investigating the case on behalf of the deceased man, Lee Oswald?" Your answer was, "No, sir." Mr. Ball asked, "Did you ever talk to a man who said he was representing the mother of Lee Oswald?" And you answered, "No, sir." And then Mr. Ball asked you, "You don't remember ever talking to a man named Mark Lane?" And then you answered, No, sir."

Mrs. Markham.

Right.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you remember giving that testimony at that time?

Mrs. Markham.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Liebeler.

Have you ever talked to Mark Lane?

Mrs. Markham.

No; I haven't--I haven't never seen the man in my life.

Mr. Liebeler.

Have you ever talk to Mark Lane on the telephone?

Mrs. Markham.

No.