not have---once he had agreed to go to three or four other cities, that he could not possibly go to Texas and avoid Dallas. It would cause more controversy and it would not accomplish for us what really was the long-range purpose of the visit.

Mr. Specter.

And the long-range purpose was what, sir?
Mr. O'DONNELL. Was to attempt to in some way bridge the gap between the two political groups in Texas who were at odds, and to assist the President and prepare for the 1964 campaign as best he could at this period of time.

Mr. Specter.

What was the President's reaction towards Dallas generally, if you know, with respect to the current publicity about, say, Ambassador Stevenson's reception there?
Mr. O'DONNELL. Well, he was not in anyway concerned about it. I think the President was a very charitable man. He felt that really the picture of Dallas as painted--and as a reflection of their press in many ways--was not the real picture of Dallas; that they were Americans like everybody else, that were good and bad, and the fact that 50 shouting people didn't portray the city of Dallas. He had been there in the 1960 campaign when the Vice President had been spit upon, and the President received one of the finest receptions he ever got. He didn't carry the city. They opposed him. But they were not different than anybody else. And that wouldn't concern him, and I think very frankly, the more difficult it was the more he liked to go there. But I think he generally felt that the loud noises emanating from Dallas were a very small minority, and so reflected.

Mr. Specter.

Had there been any discussion about limiting the trip to Texas to a 1 day venture?
Mr. O'DONNELL. I don't recollect any. I do know one of the original thoughts was that he go to this dinner in Austin, which was a political dinner. Whether there was any consideration in some other people's minds that he just go in the dinner and leave, I know he, number 1, would not consider it.

Mr. Specter.

Why not?
Mr. O'DONNELL. He would not consider it because he had a great aversion to going into any place to a fundraising political dinner in which he felt that the people that were there were not really representative of the people, but were politically committed people, where it was a business meeting. And he thought this reflected to some degree on the office of the Presidency, that on his only visit to Texas, or any other State in 3 years, that he came to raise money for a political party, that he owed to the people to expose himself to them. So he he felt it was a duty of the Presidency to expose himself to the public. So he would not go to any place on a purely--but he certainly considered there were some political problems in Texas--that would also be in his judgment a bad political mistake. So I don't think there was ever any question that he would go some place else.

Mr. Specter.

Did you accompany the President on all phases of the trip to Texas?
Mr. O'DONNELL. I was with him when he left. The only time that I was not with him was at Congressman Thomas' dinner. He went to the dinner. We ate at the hotel and went directly to the airport.

Mr. Specter.

When did you depart, then, from Washington, on that trip to Texas?
Mr. O'DONNELL. Well, we left that morning by helicopter from the lawn. I think the records show it is 10:45. But the schedule was on time, certainly arriving there, and, as I recollect, we were on time pretty much the whole way as the schedule would reflect.

Mr. Specter.

And from the helicopter at the White House lawn, where was your first stop by helicopter?
Mr. O'DONNELL. We stopped and boarded Air Force I at Andrews Air Force Base.

Mr. Specter.

Would the time of 11 a.m. as reflected in the records, be accurate as your point of departure, then, from Andrews Air Force Base?
Mr. O'DONNELL. Yes; I would think it would be.

Mr. Specter.

And your first stop in Texas was what?
Mr. O'DONNELL. San Antonio.

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