Then he said, "What about this picture of you holding this rifle?"
"Well, I don't know what you are talking about."
He just cut it off. As I recall, he refused to even acknowledge there was such a picture. They had none of these exhibits in the room.

Mr. Belin.

You didn't have the picture at the time in the room when you were there?

Mr. Holmes.

No.

Mr. Belin.

Did anyone say anything about his living on a so-called Neely Street, that you remember? Or Captain Fritz, did he say that he told Oswald that friends had visited him there and that friends had seen Oswald there? Do you remember at this time anything about that?

Mr. Holmes.

I don't remember his answer to it, whether he did answer.

Mr. Belin.

Was anything--pardon me.

Mr. Holmes.

I remember Fritz, I think, describe the fellow, and he just ignored it. He was vague about it.

Mr. Belin.

Do you remember any statements that Oswald made about any fight in New Orleans about Marxism or fair play for Cuba or anything? Does that ring a boll with you?

Mr. Holmes.

I knew all about it, and I knew the police records and all, but I don't know that it was brought up in that room at that time.

Mr. Belin.

Was anything in that room--was he asked about knowing Alek Hidell? Or anything about Alek Hidell?

Mr. Holmes.

I brought it up first as to did he ever have a package sent to him from anywhere. I said, "Did you receive mail through this box 2915 under the name of any other name than Lee Oswald," and he said, "Absolutely not."
"What about a package to an A. J. Hidell?"
He said, "No."
"Well, did you order a gun in that name to come there?"
"No, absolutely not."
"Had one come under that name, could this fellow have gotten it?"
He said, "Nobody got mail out of that box but me; no, sir." "Maybe my wife, but I couldn't say for sure whether my wife ever got mail, but it is possible she could have."
"Well, who is A. J. Hidell?" I asked him.
And he said, "I don't know any such person."
I showed him the box rental application for the post office box in New Orleans and I read from it. I said, "Here this shows as being able to receive, being entitled to receive mail is Marina Oswald." And he said, "Well, that is my wife, so what?"
And I said also it says "A. J. Hidell."
"Well, I don't know anything about that."
That is all he would say about it.
Then Captain Fritz interrupted and said, "Well, what about this card we got out of your billfold? This draft registration card, he called it, where it showed A. J. Hidell."
"Well, that is the only time that I recall he kind of flared up and he said, "Now, I have told you all I am going to tell you about that card in my billfold." He said, "You have the card yourself, and you know as much about it as I do." And he showed a little anger. Really the only time that he flared up.

Mr. Belin.

Was there ever any mention at the time you were there of the fact that he had a right to have a lawyer present? Do you remember anything about that at all, or not?

Mr. Holmes.

I don't recall.

Mr. Belin.

Did he ever ask to have a lawyer present? Do you remember anything about that at all?

Mr. Holmes.

Oh, yes; they talked about a lawyer, and he said he had----

Mr. Belin.

What was the conversation? Who said what?

Mr. Holmes.

I don't know who started the conversation, but it had gotten into "Do you have an attorney?" He said, "No."
"Well, do you want an attorney?"
And he said, "No." Then he said, "Well, I tried to get a fellow from New York." But he said he wasn't able to get hold of him.

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