Mr. Turner.

around Plano there. I worked at that a short while. And then I worked for the Plano Lumber Yard in Richardson, Tex., and I worked there until I came to work for the police department.

Mr. Belin.

Were you on duty on November 22, 1963?

Mr. Turner.

I was.

Mr. Belin.

Did you have anything to do with the motorcade?

Mr. Turner.

I did; yes, sir.

Mr. Belin.

What was your position?

Mr. Turner.

I was riding in the pilot car of the motorcade, possibly 3 minutes in front of the motorcade.

Mr. Belin.

Who else was with your car?

Mr. Turner.

Chief Lumpkin from our department.

Mr. Belin.

Is he an assistant chief of police?

Mr. Turner.

Deputy chief of police.

Mr. Belin.

Anyone else?

Mr. Turner.

My partner, Detective B.L. Shekel, and an Army major whose name I do not remember.

Mr. Belin.

You went to Love Field to meet the President?

Mr. Turner.

In the car also was a Secret Service man, whose name I do not remember. Yes, sir; I did go to Love Field to meet the President.

Mr. Belin.

You saw the plane arrive?

Mr. Turner.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Belin.

You got prepared to leave a little bit ahead of time of the motorcade?

Mr. Turner.

We did. We drove to a gate on the outward edge of Love Field and waited until we got some radio contact from the chief. They were about ready to leave, and we had a running start.

Mr. Belin.

How many channels did you have on your radio?

Mr. Turner.

Two.

Mr. Belin.

Which channel were you on?

Mr. Turner.

Channel 2.

Mr. Belin.

Was the entire motorcade on channel 2?

Mr. Turner.

The entire motorcade was on channel 2, and I believe there was a dispatcher at the central station on channel 2, that relayed some of the changes, and some of the messages were car to car, back and forth.

Mr. Belin.

Other police business would be on channel 1, at the time, or also on channel 2?

Mr. Turner.

Other police business was on channel 1.

Mr. Belin.

All right, you went through the city ahead of the actual motorcade, is that correct?

Mr. Turner.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Belin.

Did you keep track of where the motorcade was?

Mr. Turner.

Yes, sir; by radio.

Mr. Belin.

By radio did you keep track of how fast the motorcade was going?

Mr. Turner.

Yes, sir; by radio.

Mr. Belin.

Do you remember whether or not there was any radio conversation as to how fast the motorcade was going at the time it got to Main and Houston?

Mr. Turner.

I don't recall.

Mr. Belin.

Who did you keep your primary radio contact with?

Mr. Turner.

Chief Curry.

Mr. Belin.

Now where were you when you first heard any signs of anything out of the ordinary?

Mr. Turner.

We were on Stemmons Freeway. I don't recall approximately, at the Oak Lawn exit, or somewhere right in that vicinity.

Mr. Belin.

What did you hear on the police radio?

Mr. Turner.

Well, I heard some conversation, either sounded like Curry's voice or Sheriff Decker's voice, who was riding in the car with him. I believe it said, sounded like Sheriff Decker said notify all men to get over there and cover off the area around this building there until some investigators could get there.

Mr. Belin.

Did you return to the Texas School Book Depository Building?