Mr. Sims.

Mr. Clements, and he continued his interrogation of Oswald for about another half hour.

Mr. Ball.

And were you present?

Mr. Sims.

I probably was; yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Who was present besides you?

Mr. Sims.

I couldn't say--I know Boyd was and I was present, but I don't know if he was in there all the time or not.

Mr. Ball.

Now, during this time, or sometime during this period--sometime between these three showups, you searched Oswald, didn't you?

Mr. Sims.

The first one; yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

And that was what time?

Mr. Sims.

It was 4:05, I believe, but I will have to check my record here and see [checking his record referred to].

Mr. Ball.

That was after the second showup?

Mr. Sims.

No, sir; the first one.

Mr. Ball.

After the first showup?

Mr. Sims.

It was before the first showup.

Mr. Ball.

It was before the first showup--the 4:05?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

And that was after the first interrogation?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

And where were you when you first searched him?

Mr. Sims.

We was in the holdover, in other words, the showup room.

Mr. Ball.

When you took Oswald down for the first showup and waited in the room outside, the showup room, you searched him?

Mr. Sims.

Yes; Boyd and I.

Mr. Ball.

What did you find?

Mr. Sims.

I found a bus transfer slip in his shirt pocket.

Mr. Ball.

And what else?

Mr. Sims.

Well, Boyd found some .38 cartridges in his pocket.

Mr. Ball.

How many?

Mr. Sims.

I don't know--I have it here ---I believe it's five rounds of .38 caliber pistol shells in his left front pocket.

Mr. Ball.

Left-front shirt pocket?

Mr. Sims.

No, sir; they were in his pants pocket.

Mr. Ball.

Left front?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Where was the transfer?

Mr. Sims.

The transfer was in his shirt pocket.

Mr. Ball.

Would that be on the left side, I suppose?

Mr. Sims.

I don't know if he's got two pockets or not.

Mr. Ball.

Let's take a look at it.

Mr. Sims.

(Examined Exhibit hereinafter referred to).

Mr. Ball.

Commission Exhibit 150 is being exhibited for the witness' examination.

Mr. Sims.

Well, he's got two pockets in here and let's see if I have it on here--what pocket it was--I didn't say--I don't remember what pocket he had that in.

Mr. Ball.

What did you do with the transfer?

Mr. Sims.

I went back up to the office and I believe initialed it and placed it in an envelope for identification.

Mr. Ball.

Who did you turn it over to?

Mr. Sims.

I don't remember.

Mr. Ball.

You don't remember?

Mr. Sims.

No, sir; it was either in the lieutenant's desk or Captain Fritz' desk.

Mr. Ball.

Lieutenant who?

Mr. Sims.

We have two in there---Lieutenant Wells and Lieutenant Bohart.

Mr. Ball.

And what about the five rounds of live ammunition, what did you do with those?

Mr. Sims.

It was also placed in the envelope.

Mr. Ball.

And turned over to whom--Fritz?

Mr. Sims.

I don't know who that was turned over to.

Mr. Ball.

Did you ever talk to a busdriver named McWatters?