Mr. Studebaker.

right here, this little print. Now, this box was turned over on its side and you see the tape right here, the way it is wrapped around---that was laying in the window like this on the top box.

Mr. Ball.

"In the window like this," you mean as shown on Exhibit B?

Mr. Studebaker.

It is Exhibit B.

Mr. Ball.

It was on the window ledge?

Mr. Studebaker.

It was on the window ledge, just like it is right there, and then this other box was beside it, and this box was turned up on end.

Mr. Ball.

You say "this box turned up on end," you've got to give us a description of "this box"--you mean the box marked "books"?

Mr. Studebaker.

The box marked "books"--now, we have---this thing is stapled here some place along this edge and you can see the staples in this other print. You can't see it in this print.

Mr. Ball.

What other print?

Mr. Studebaker.

When you make a negative, you have to put it on your exposure when you expose the thing, and you see, you lose part of your negative.

Mr. Ball.

First, let me get back to what we were talking about first.

Mr. Studebaker.

Well, this box was sitting right here---the first box in Exhibit A.

Mr. Ball.

Wait just a minute let me direct your attention to Exhibit B, does it show a box on the window ledge?

Mr. Studebaker.

This box--the Second Rolling Readers.

Mr. Ball.

That picture was taken before the box was moved?
Mr, STUDEBAKER. Yes.

Mr. Ball.

That box shown in the window ledge in Exhibit B was the Rolling Readers box?

Mr. Studebaker.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

And underneath that was another box?

Mr. Studebaker.

Another Rolling Reader box?

Mr. Ball.

And underneath that sitting on the floor was another box?

Mr. Studebaker.

A box marked "books".

Mr. Ball.

It was larger in size?

Mr. Studebaker.

It was larger in size.

Mr. Ball.

Than the Rolling Readers box?

Mr. Studebaker.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

Now, the one marked "books", how was that standing, was it on its end or on its side?

Mr. Studebaker.

It was on its end. You see, these staples right along here, these staples show in another print. They don't show in this print--this is just a bad print.

Mr. Ball.

When you say "in this," what is it?

Mr. Studebaker.

This is Exhibit--what is it?

Mr. Ball.

This is Exhibit A.

Mr. Studebaker.

Exhibit A--it was standing on end.

Mr. Ball.

Now, in Exhibit A--can you tell me looking at Exhibit A whether or not these boxes were over near the left-hand corner of the sill, to .the left of the sill, looking out of the window, at the center, or over at the right.

Mr. Studebaker.

They were in the left-hand corner of the window looking towards Elm Street.

Mr. Ball.

How close to the edge of the sill?

Mr. Studebaker.

Right at the edge.

Mr. Ball.

Right at the edge?

Mr. Studebaker.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Now, you show an indentation or a mark on the top of the box shown in Exhibit A, is that a little Rolling Reader box?

Mr. Studebaker.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Now, we have a picture here which we will mark "Exhibit E."
(Instrument marked by the reporter as "Studebaker Exhibit E," for identification.)

Mr. Ball.

This is a picture of the fifth and sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository taken by a photographer right after shots were fired at President Kennedy.