Mr. Specter.

that this is the same missile, so that I'm trying to look at it just from the physical characteristics of the appearance of the wounds on the two sides of the wrist.
Dr. SHAW. May we go off the record just a minute?

Mr. Specter.

Sure off the record.
(Discussion between Counsel Specter and the witness, Dr. Shaw, off the record.)
Mr. SPECTER. Let us go back on the record and let the record reflect that we have been discussing another aspect concerning Dr. Shaw's thought that if the main missile had gone through the entire radius, that there would have been more damage, presumably, to the arteries and tendons on the underside of the wrist, and I then called Dr. Shaw's attention to one additional factor in Dr. Gregory's testimony which is reflected in his report that "on the radial' side of the arm, small fine bits of cloth consistent with fine bits of mohair were found," which was one of the reasons for Dr. Gregory's thinking that the path was from the dorsal
aspect to the volar aspect.
Dr. SHAW. Yes.
Mr. SPECTER. And Dr. Shaw's reply, if this is correct, Doctor, that you would know of no readily available explanation for that factor in the situation?
Dr. SHAW. Except that it might have been carried by the small fragment which obviously passed through the wrist and attached to that.
Mr. SPECTER. But could the fragment have carried it from the radial side on it if it had been traveling from the volar side to the radial side ?
Dr. SHAW. Yes; it could have carried it through. and deposited it on the way through.
Mr. SPECTER. I see, so it might have started. on the volar aspect and could have gone on through.
Dr. SHAW. You know, if we could get that suit of his, it would help a lot.

Mr. Specter.

Well, we are going to examine clothing if at all possible.

Dr. SHAW. Because, I think it would have been almost impossible I think if you examine the clothing and if you had a hole here in his coat and no hole on this side----

Mr. Specter.

Indicating a hole on the femur side----
Dr. SHAW. That would almost clear that thing up.

Mr. SPECTER. Yes; it would be very informational in our analysis of the situation.
Dr. SHAW. I doubt if there is a hole in both sides of the sleeve---the sleeve wouldn't be quite that long, I don't think.
Mr. SPECTER. Dr. Shaw, my next question involves whether you have ever had a conversation with Governor Connally about the sequence of events of the day he was shot?
Dr. SHAW. Yes, we have talked on more than one occasion about this. The Governor admits that certain aspects of the whole incident are a bit hazy. He remembers hearing a shot. He recognized it as a rifle shot and turned to the right to see whether President Kennedy had been injured. He recognized that the President had been injured, but almost immediately, he stated, that he felt a severe shock to his right chest. He immediately experienced some difficulty in breathing, and as he stated to me, he thought that he had received a mortal wound.

Mr. Specter.

Did he tell you why he thought the wound was mortal?
Dr. SHAW. He just knew that he was badly hit, as he expressed it.

Mr. SPECTER. Did he comment on whether or not he heard a second shot before he felt this wound in his chest?
Dr. SHAW. He says that he did not hear a second shot, but did hear---no, wait a minute, I shouldn't say that. He heard only two shots so that he doesn't know which shot other than the first one he did not hear. He only remembers hearing two shots, his wife says distinctly she heard three.

Mr. Specter.

Mrs. Connally said she heard three?
Dr. SHAW. Mrs. Connally distinctly remembered three shots.

Mr. Specter.

And, Governor Connally said he heard two shots?
Dr. SHAW. Two shots.

Mr. SPECTER. Would that not be consistent with a situation where he was hit by the second shot and lost consciousness?