Mr. Belin.

Had any of the parade already gone by the comer of Elm and Houston?

Mr. Rackley.

I couldn't say.

Mr. Belin.

So you don't know whether it did or didn't?

Mr. Rackley.

No.
Mr. BELIN. But would you say it was about that time that the motorcade was to be going by there?

Mr. Rackley.

It was between 11 and 12.

Mr. Belin.

It was between 11 and 12?

Mr. Rackley.

Yes.

Mr. Belin.

O'clock?

Mr. Rackley.

Yes.

Mr. Belin.

What time did you--was this before or after you had lunch?

Mr. Rackley.

Well, I just eat just any time I get a chance.

Mr. Belin.

Do you know accurately what time it was?

Mr. Rackley.

No, sir; I don't.

Mr. Belin.

Could it have been as late as 12:30?

Mr. Rackley.

No.

Mr. Belin.

It was before 12:30?

Mr. Rackley.

Yes.

Mr. Belin.

Before 12?

Mr. Rackley.

Yes.

Mr. Belin.

Sometime between 11 and 12?

Mr. RACKLEY. Well, it was at the time that, really, that they had shot him, because I was there when the policemen covered the place.

Mr. Belin.

You were there when the policemen covered the place?

Mr. Rackley.

Yes.
Mr. BELIN. With relation to the time that the policemen covered the place, how many minutes before that did you see the birds fly up?

Mr. Rackley.

I saw the pigeons there 2 or 3 minutes before that.
Mr. BELIN. Now after you saw the pigeons, you saw the police covering the place?

Mr. Rackley.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Belin.

Within 2 or 3 minutes after you saw the pigeons?

Mr. Rackley.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Belin.

Did you see any people coming out the back door at all?

Mr. Rackley.

No.

Mr. Belin.

Could you see the back door of the Texas School Book Depository?

Mr. Rackley.

Yes.

Mr. Belin.

That was at the dock they have back there?

Mr. Rackley.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Belin.

Were you looking towards that direction?

Mr. Rackley.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Belin.

About how. long did you keep your eyes fixed over there?

Mr. Rackley.

Oh, I would say 5 minutes anyhow. Probably 10. I was looking up that way at all times.

Mr. Belin.

Five or 10 minutes, you figure?

Mr. Rackley.

Yes.
Mr. BELIN. Did you see any people leave the Texas School Book Depository by way of the rear exit?

Mr. Rackley.

No, sir.

Mr. Belin.

Did you see any people running north on Houston Street?

Mr. Rackley.

No, Sir.
Mr. BELIN. Did you tell your company supervisor that there had been some shooting?

Mr. Rackley.

No, not right then.

Mr. Belin.

Later did you tell them?

Mr. Rackley.

Yes; I imagine.

Mr. Belin.

You said you stayed there 5 or 10 minutes looking to the south?

Mr. Rackley.

Yes.

Mr. Belin.

What did you do after that?

Mr. Rackley.

Well, when the policemen began to crowd around and they all