Mr. Holland.

were so many there, I thought they would take care of everything, and a layman didn't have any business up there, and I went on back to my office.
Mr. STERN. When you ran behind the picket fence after the shots were fired, did you come near the area where the station wagon was parked?

Mr. Holland.

Went up to behind the arcade as far as you could go.

Mr. Stern.

So, you would have passed where this station wagon was?

Mr. Holland.

Yes.

Mr. Stern.

Or, that area?

Mr. HOLLAND. Yes; immediately, but I turned around, see, and went to searching in there for empty shells, and three or four agents there then and that is when I walked back to the ear there and noticed the tracks there in one little spot.
Mr. STERN. When you first came around, that was quite soon after the 'shots were fired?

Mr. Holland.

Yes.

Mr. Stern.

And did you notice anything about this station wagon?

Mr. Holland.

I was in front of the cars, then I went in front of the cars.

Mr. Stern.

In front of the cars---

Mr. HOLLAND. The cars they were parked pretty close to the fence, and I came up in front of the cars and got over to the fence and then walked back down looking around, just like the rest of them.

Mr. Stern.

And that was later you came behind the station wagon?
Mr. HOLLAND. Oh, maybe 3 or 4 minutes after I got up there, and 3 or 4 minutes after I got up to the end of the fence.
Mr. STERN. This number of cars, this is an area in which cars are regularly parked?

Mr. Holland.

Yes.

Mr. Stern.

A parking area for the School Book Depository?

Mr. Holland.

No; it is a parking area for the sheriff's department and people over to the courthouse. They park in there.

Mr. Stern.

I see.

Mr. Holland.

Sheriff's department parks in there. District attorneys' cars park in there. It is railroad property, but they let them park in there and save that 25 cents. Don't put that down. Might get in trouble.

Now, do you want to know about the two policemen that were riding in that motorcade and one of them throwed the motorcycle down right in the middle of the street and run up towards that location with his gun in his hand.

Mr. Stern.

Toward---

Mr. Holland.

The location that---

Mr. Stern.

Where you saw the puff of smoke?
Mr. HOLLAND. Where I saw the puff of smoke. And another one tried to ride up the hill on his motorcycle and got about halfway up there and he run up the rest of the way on foot.

Mr. Stern.

Go ahead. This is at the time of the---

Mr. Holland.

At the time of the---

Mr. Stern.

That the shots were fired?

Mr. Holland.

The shots was fired.

Mr. Stern.

Two motorcycle policemen who were in the motorcade?

Mr. HOLLAND. In the motorcade, and one of them throwed his motorcycle down right in the middle of the street and ran up the incline with his pistol in his hand, and the other motorcycle policeman jumped over the curb with his motorcycle
and tried to ride up the hill on his motorcycle, and he---tipped over with him up there, and he ran up there the rest of the way with his---

Mr. Stern.

Did you see anything further involving those two?

Mr. Holland.

No; I ran around, I was going around the corner of the fence.

Mr. Stern.

When they were coming up the incline?

Mr. Holland.

When that happened.

Mr. Stern.

But, nothing further came of that, that you observed?

Mr. Holland.

No.

Mr. Stern.

Did you talk to them?

Mr. Holland.

No.

Mr. Stern.

Anything else occur to you?

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