Mr. Holland.

Little house there.

Mr. Stern.

Little----

Mr. Holland.

What do they call that thing?

Mr. Morrison.

I don't know.

Mr. Stern.

Little pavilion? Little concrete pavilion?

Mr. Holland.

Yes.

Mr. Stern.

Now, what did you observe from that point on, Mr. Holland?

Mr. HOLLAND. Well, I observed the motorcade when it turned off of Main Street onto Houston Street and back on Elm Street. There was two young ladies right across from this sign, which would be, I judge would say they were standing about here [indicating].

Mr. Stern.

Put No. 4 there, please. Fine.
Mr.. HOLLAND. And the motorcade was coming down in this fashion, and the
President was waving to the people on this side [indicating].

Mr. Stern.

That is the north side of Elm Street?

Mr. Holland.

Yes; On the north side.

Mr. Stern.

All right.

Mr. Holland.

And she was looking in this direction [indicating].

Mr. Stern.

"She," is Mrs. Kennedy?

Mr. Holland.

His wife. And about that time---
Mr..STERN. Was looking in a southern direction?

Mr. Holland.

In the southern direction.

Mr. Stern.

South side of Elm Street?

Mr. HOLLAND. And about that time he went over like that [indicating], and put his hand up, and she was still looking off, as well as I could tell.
Mr. STERN. Now, when you say, "he went like that," you leaned forward and raised your right hand?

Mr. Holland.

Pulled forward and hand just stood like that momentarily.

Mr. Stern.

With his right hand?

Mr. Holland.

His right hand; and that was the first report that I heard.

Mr. Stern.

What did it sound like?

Mr. HOLLAND. Well, it was pretty loud, and naturally, underneath this underpass here it would be a little louder, the concussion from underneath it, it was a pretty loud report, and the car traveled a few yards, and Governor Connally turned in this fashion, like that [indicating] with his hand out, and another report.

Mr. Stern.

With his right hand out?

Mr. Holland.

Turning to his right.

Mr. Stern.

To his right?

Mr. HOLLAND. And another report rang out and he slumped down in his seat, and about that time Mrs. Kennedy was looking at these girls over here [indicating]. The girls standing---now one of them was taking a picture, and the other one was just standing there, and she turned around facing the President and Governor Connally. In other words, she realized what was happening, I guess.
Now, I mean, that was apparently that---she turned back around, and by the time she could get turned around he was hit again along in---I'd say along in here [indicating].

Mr. Stern.

How do you know that? Did you observe that?

Mr. Holland.

I observed it. It knocked him completely down on the floor. Over, just slumped completely over. That second---

Mr. Stern.

Did you hear a third report?
Mr. HOLLAND. I heard a third report and I counted four shots and about the same time all this was happening, and in this group of trees--[indicating].

Mr. Stern.

Now, you are indicating trees on the north side of Elm Street?

Mr. Holland.

These trees right along here [indicating].
Mr. STERN. Let's mark this Exhibit C and draw a circle around the trees you are referring to.

Mr. Holland.

Right in there. (Indicating.)
There was a shot, a report, I don't know whether it was a shot. I can't say that. And a puff of smoke came out about 6 or 8 feet above the ground