Mr. Specter.

at his general condition, it was fairly obvious that the bullet had transgressed virtually every major organ and vessel in the abdominal cavity, which later proved to be the case.

Mr. Specter.

What did you do for him?

Dr. SHIRES. He was given resuscitation, including an endotracheal tube, intravenous fluids, blood, moved to the operating room, prepared, draped, an abdominal incision, laparotomy made, just as is described in the record. The injuries were in fact mortal and involved both major vessels in the abdomen, the aorta, the inferior vena cava, and there had been massive exanguinating hemorrhage into the abdomen--in and around the abdomen.
After securing control of all the many, many bleeding points and the bleeding organs, he never had regained consciousness. Approximately 15, 16--whatever it is, approximately, pints of blood had been given, and he had suffered irreparable anoxia from the initial massive blood loss incident to the gunshot wound. When his heart did stop, even though we felt this was a terminal cessation of heartbeat, efforts were made at resuscitation by open heart massage and all that went with it, but never once was an effective heartbeat obtained, so that our initial impression was that it was correct in that this was simply cardiac death and not cardiac arrest.
Mr. SPECTER a. Did you come close to saving him, in the vernacular---in lay terms?
Dr. SHIRES. There has never been recorded in medical literature recovery from a wound like this. There was too much blood lost too fast. Had the injury occurred fight outside the operating room, it might have been possible to reduce the period of anoxia that comes from overwhelming blood loss like this, sufficiently to have corrected it. We did control all the bleeding points with a lot of difficulty, finally all bleeding points were controlled and this was a mortal wound--there was no question about that.
Mr. SPECTER. Are the details of your observations, examination, and treatment of Mr. Oswald set forth in the two pages of this report which I have just shown you in Commission No. 392?
Dr. SHIRES. Yes, the operative reports that are contained there.

Testimony of Dr. Richard Dulany Brooks

Mr. Specter.

Thank you very much, Dr. Shires.
Dr. SHIRES. Thank you.
Dr. Richard Brooks Dulany
TESTIMONY OF DR. RICHARD BROOKS DULANY

Mr. Specter.

The testimony of Dr. Richard Brooks Dulany was taken at 6:20 p.m., on March 25, 1964, at Parkland Memorial Hospital, Dallas, Tex. by Mr. Arlen Specter, assistant counsel of the President's Commission.
Mr. SPECTER. May the record show that Dr. Richard Dulany is present in response to the request that he appear to have his deposition taken and he has been requested to appear here because he has been identified in prior depositions as perhaps being one of the first doctors to see President Kennedy. Dr. Dulany, have you had an opportunity to examine the Executive Order
creating the President's Commission?
Dr. DULANY. Yes, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. And the rules and regulations relating to the taking of testimony?
Dr. DULANY. Yes, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. Are you willing to have your deposition taken here today, even though you haven't had the 3 days' notice which you have a right to, if you want it?
Dr. DULANY, Yes, sir.

Mr. Specter.

You are willing to waive that requirement?
Dr. DULANY. Yes.

Mr. Specter.

Will you stand up now and raise your right hand?
Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you give before the President's