Mr. Specter.

was spent after going through President Kennedy and through the Governor's body and wrist and then caused that wound in the thigh?
Dr. SHIRES. That's right, if it was a tangential bullet.

Mr. Specter.

Dr. Shires, have you ever been contacted by any representative of the Federal Government prior to today?
Dr. SHIRES. Yes.

Mr. Specter.

And who was it who contacted you?

Dr. SHIRES. I don't recall the name---it was two individuals from the Secret Service. They presented their credentials at the time to the administration and then subsequently to me and they were given copies of our operative reports, statements made by people concerned with the President and Governor at the time, and then subsequently one of those same two men from Secret Service returned and charted the entrance and exit wounds which you have described previously, or we have looked at previously in these five diagrams.
Mr. SPECTER. Have you ever been interviewed by any other representative of the Federal Government before today?
Dr. SHIRES. No; not in person. I discussed over the phone with the FBI--- well, that was with regard to Oswald. I discussed over the phone what happened to the bullet that was taken from Oswald, but not with regard to the President or the Governor---no.
Mr. SPECTER. On your prior interviews by the Secret Service, sir, did they cover the same subjects which you and I have gone over today, or were other subjects covered?
Dr. SHIRES. No; essentially the same subjects.
Mr. SPECTER. And was any different information given to you by the Secret Service at that time of either of those two occasions?
Dr. SHIRES. No; the same as we have discussed here.

Mr. Specter.

Now, prior to the time when you were sworn in and the court reporter started to take the deposition in shorthand form, did you and I have a brief discussion about the purpose of the deposition and the subject matters of interest to the Commission?
Dr. SHIRES. Yes.
Mr. SPECTER. And was the same information given by you to me during the course of that informal discussion as you have testified to on the record here this afternoon?
Dr. SHIRES. Yes; in less detail.

Mr. Specter.

And do you have anything which you would care to add which

you think might be helpful to the Commission in its work?
Dr. SHIRES. No.
Mr. SPECTER. Well, fine, that concludes the deposition, thank you very much, Dr. Shires.
Dr. SHIRES. Are you interested in Oswald---that's my only other question?

Mr. Specter.

Well, let's talk about it a little off the record.
(Discussion between Counsel Specter and witness Dr. Shires off the record at this point.)
Mr. SPECTER. Let's go back on the record. Dr. Shires, before concluding the deposition, permit me to ask you Just a few additional questions about care for Lee Harvey Oswald.
First of all, I again show you Commission Exhibit No. 392, the last two pages which purport to he an operative record of Parkland Memorial Hospital on November 24, 1963, concerning treatment of Mr. Oswald, with you listed as the surgeon, and I'll ask you to take a look at these two sheets and tell us whether or not that is a report which you prepared on treatment of Mr. Oswald?
Dr. SHIRES. Yes, it is.
Mr. SPECTER. Will you outline in a very general way what his condition was when you first saw him?
Dr. SHIRES. When he was first seen in the emergency room, he was unconscious, without blood pressure or pulse, but with an audible heart beat, and attempts, feeble though they were, attempts in respiration. There was an entrance wound over the left lower chest and the bullet could be felt subcutaneously over the lower chest lateral projecting this trajectory through the body and looking