Mr. Brian.

there because they called the crime laboratory and everybody else to get down there and they got an officer to guard the place and not let nobody get around and we went on searching the building.

Mr. Rankin.

What did you see, how many shells did you see?

Mr. Brian.

I am going to guess.

Mr. Rankin.

We don't want you to guess. If you can tell us your recollection, that is all.

Mr. Brian.

Well, the first time I went over there, I believe I saw two, but I am not sure, but I went back again later and there were three shells there.

Mr. Rankin.

Now after that, did you leave the Depository Building?

Mr. Brian.

Yes. sir; after we spent considerable time, we went from the top floor down to the bottom floor, back up, going through it, and we finally wound up on the second floor taking all the acoustic tile out of the ceiling looking up to see if anybody was hidden up there, and I believe that was the last thing we did in the building. By that time, there were a number of people in the building.

Mr. Rankin.

You were making a complete search of each floor, were you?

Mr. Brian.

Yes, sir; I was with, I mean there were a number of officers there, I didn't do it by myself, there were a number of us there and we were searching it.

Mr. Rankin.

Then you left the building?

Mr. Brian.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Rankin.

Did you leave with some other officers?

Mr. Brian.

Yes, sir; Lieutenant Revill, myself, and Tarver and Westphal all went back to the car and left to go to city hall.

Mr. Rankin.

Then you got back to the city hall. What did you do?

Mr. Brian.

We drove into the basement and parked.

Mr. Rankin.

What time of the day was that, can you tell us?

Mr. Brian.

Probably around 2 o'clock or somewhere in that. I don't really know to be truthful because I didn't pay any attention to the time but it was around 2 o'clock, I would guess.

Mr. Rankin.

And the four of you were together at that time?

Mr. Brian.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Rankin.

What happened at that point?

Mr. Brian.

We got out of the car, and as we got out of the car----

Mr. Dulles.

Was the car already inside the building or in the driveway there?

Mr. Brian.

Yes, sir.
Let me explain. City hall basement, as some of you all know----

Mr. Dulles.

I was just there so I want to know.

Mr. Brian.

We came around the ramp and we parked in the basement. We were parked in the basement, and we got out, and started around, there is a railing there, we started around the railing and at that time Jim Hosty was coming across the basement, at a fast trot, or moving fairly fast----

Mr. Rankin.

Special Agent Hosty of the Bureau?

Mr. Brian.

Yes, sir.
And he came across there and I know him, and I had known him for a good while to speak to him.

Mr. Rankin.

Where were you with reference to Lieutenant Revill at that point?

Mr. Brian.

I think I was on his, probably his right-hand side.

Mr. Rankin.

Close to him?

Mr. Brian.

Fairly close; yes, sir.
And so we walked over to meet, kind of cornered, you cross paths and we walked up there to meet Jim, and he said, he came up there and he said, that Lee Oswald, a Communist, killed the President, and then Revill said, "What?" He said, Lee Oswald, a Communist, killed the President.
He was in--nervous--in a hurry, and was just talking.
And then he said, he said that he knew that he was a Communist and he knew he worked in the Book Depository, and then Lieutenant Revill said something else to him, I am not--I don't know what he said, and they walked off in front of me going in around and in through the door over to the elevator to go up, and then we accompanied Agent Hosty up to Captain Fritz' office which is on the----