of the Federal Bureau of Investigation claimed to have occurred on November 22, 1963, in the afternoon and also concerning the facts surrounding the discussion of Commission Exhibits Nos. 709 and 711. 709 is the affidavit of Lieutenant Revill, and 711 is the affidavit that you made concerning that matter.

Mr. Brian.

Yes, sir.

The Chairman.

Would you raise your right hand and be sworn, please?
Do you solemnly swear the testimony you are about to give before this Commission shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?

Mr. Brian.

Yes, sir; I do.

The Chairman.

Please be seated.
Mr. Rankin will conduct the examination.

Mr. Brian.

My name is Brian.

Mr. Rankin.

Where do you live?

Mr. Brian.

In Dallas, Tex.

Mr. Rankin.

Do you have some connection with the police department in Dallas?

Mr. Brian.

Yes, sir; I am a detective in the criminal intelligence section.

Mr. Rankin.

How long have you occupied that position?
Mr, BRIAN. Since June of 1955.

Mr. Rankin.

What is your function as a detective for the criminal intelligence section?

Mr. Brian.

To gain, obtain information and keep records and files, and usually when an important Government official comes to town we guard them or help assist guard them, and furnish information for other agencies outside of the Dallas Police Department and have liaison, and general criminal investigation work.

Mr. Rankin.

Did you have anything to do with the Lee Harvey Oswald case?

Mr. Brian.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Rankin.

When was the first time that you had anything to do with that matter?

Mr. Brian.

Well, we started interrogating people and talking to people immediately after the assassination.

Mr. Rankin.

About what time of the day?

Mr. Brian.

In the middle of the afternoon, probably----

Mr. Rankin.

November 22, 1963?

Mr. Brian.

Yes, sir. The first thing that we done, I was, I personally that day was, assigned at the Dallas Trade Mart where the President was to speak, I was on the side of the speaker stand when he was to come in, and they came in and got us and told us that he had been shot, and the President of the United States had been shot, and that a man in the Book Depository down there and told us to go down there and see if we could get him out, and four of us detectives down there got in a car and we went to the Book Depository and we arrived there a short time, I don't know what time it was, a short time after the shooting occurred.

Mr. Rankin.

Who were the four you are describing now?

Mr. Brian.

Lieutenant Revill, myself, a detective, O. J. Tarver, and a detective, Roy W. Westphal.

Mr. Rankin.

What did you do there?

Mr. Brian.

We searched the Book Depository for a couple of hours. We spent about 2 hours, I would guess, approximately 2 hours down there searching the Depository.

Mr. Rankin.

Did you find anything at that time?

Mr. Brian.

No, sir. I was there on the floor when the man found shells over in a corner when--where the assassin was hidden at. But other than that, I wasn't present when anything was found.

Mr. Rankin.

Will you just describe that event when you saw those shells?

Mr. Brian.

Well, a police sergeant, Jerry Hill, hollered, I was on the opposite side of the sixth floor, hollered that he had, this is where he shot from, and shells were laying there, and I walked from where I was at over to the other corner of the building and looked, and that is about the extent of my investigation