Mr. Frazier.

second, assuming that the second one actually occurred and that it occurred at about the middle of that interval.

Mr. Mccloy.

In the middle of that frame, yes. I think that is pretty persuasive.

Mr. Dulles.

I didn't quite follow that.

Mr. Mccloy.

There seemed to be more frames between, going backwards, between the third shot, that is between the time that----

Mr. Dulles.

The first shot went astray, you don't know whether it was fired. You have no way of getting at that. (Discussion off the record.)

Mr. Mccloy.

Thank you very much, Mr. Frazier.

Mr. Specter.

I want to call Inspector Kelley for observations from the underpass.
May the record show that Inspector Thomas Kelley has returned to the witness chair.

Thomas J. Kelley

Testimony of Thomas J. Kelley Resumed

Mr. Kelley.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Specter.

Before we conclude the testimony, Inspector Kelley, I want to ask you if on May 24 you had occasion to go over to the triple underpass and observe the simulated car and occupants drive down Elm Street from Houston Street?

Mr. Kelley.

Yes; I accompanied Mr. Redlich and Mr. Specter from the Commission on the point on the overpass.

Mr. Specter.

From the Commission or from where to the overpass--pardon me. I understand your sequence there.
What did you observe as to the position of the President's stand-in concerning whether he could have been struck by a bullet which was fired from the top of the triple underpass?

Mr. Kelley.

I observed as the car came down Elm Street that the President's stand-in was in our view all the time as he was coming down the street from the right-hand side of the car. As the more you moved over to the left of the under-pass, the longer the stand-in was in direct view of anybody standing on the overpass.

Mr. Specter.

And was the stand-in obstructed by the windshield at anytime as the car drove down Elm Street?

Mr. Kelley.

No; he was not. However, never at any time was he in a position to take a wound in the throat which from the drawings that have been given me, that I have been shown by the Commission, would he take a wound in the throat which would have exited higher than the throat or in the shoulder.
From the evidence that has been shown previously, the wound in the throat was lower on the President's body than the wound in the shoulder, and----

Mr. Specter.

By the wound in the shoulder do you mean the wound in the back of the President's neck, the base of his neck?

Mr. Kelley.

Yes.

Mr. Specter.

So, could a shot have been fired from the top of the triple under-pass which would have passed through the President's neck, disregarding the medical evidence on point of entry, which traveled in an upward direction from the front of his neck upward to the back of his neck?

Mr. Kelley.

In my judgment, no.

Representative Ford.

If a person were standing where you have indicated you were on that triple overpass, on November 22, he would have been in full view of anybody in the immediate vicinity.

Mr. Kelley.

Yes; and there were people on the overpass. There was a policeman on the overpass, there were a number of railroad workmen on the overpass at that time.

Representative Ford.

There would have been no place where such a person could have hidden himself and not been detected?

Mr. Kelley.

Not on the overpass.

Mr. Dulles.

What were the railway workmen doing on the overpass, were they helping to guard, the overpass or just spectators?