Mr. Eisenberg.

absence of creases which would cause you to say that the rifle was not carried in the paper bag?

Mr. Cadigan.

No.

Mr. Eisenberg.

That is whether it had been wrapped or not wrapped?

Mr. Cadigan.

That is something I can't say.

Mr. Dulles.

Would the scratches indicate there was a hard object inside the bag, as distinct from a soft object that would make no abrasions or scratches?

Mr. Cadigan.

Well, if you were to characterize it that way, yes. I mean there were a few scratches here. What caused them, I can't say. A hard object; yes. Whether that hard object was part of a gun----

Mr. Dulles.

I understand.

Mr. Cadigan.

And so forth----

Mr. Eisenberg.

I am not sure you understood a question I asked one or two questions ago.
I just want to make clear here if the gun was not wrapped in a cloth--let's assume hypothetically that the gun was not wrapped in a cloth and was, also hypothetically, inserted into this is paper bag. Is there any absence of marks which would lead you to believe that this hypothesis I just made couldn't be--that is, that it couldn't be inserted, without a covering, into the paper bag without leaving more markings than were present?

Mr. Cadigan.

No. The absence of markings to me wouldn't mean much. I was looking for markings I could associate. The absence of marks, the significance of them, I don't know.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Now, getting back to the paper bag, 142, and the tape thereon, just for a second, and the tape found on the, obtained from the, TSBD on November 22, Exhibit 677, were the widths of the tapes the same?

Mr. Cadigan.

Similar. They were not exactly the same; no.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Can you explain that?

Mr. Cadigan.

Yes; the width of the tape on the paper sack, Exhibit 142, I measured at 3 inches, and the width of the manila tape on Exhibit 677 obtained the night of November 22, I measured as 2.975. There is twenty-five one-thousandths of an inch difference.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Would that lead you to believe that they couldn't have come from the same roll?

Mr. Cadigan.

No; certainly not.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Not enough of a variation to lead to that conclusion?

Mr. Cadigan.

That is correct.

Mr. Eisenberg.

How wide do these rolls come in your experience, in what widths do they come?

Mr. Cadigan.

Normally they are supplied in, I believe, 1-, 1 1/2, 2-, 2 1/2-, and 3-inch widths.

Mr. Eisenberg.

So this was basically of a 3-inch width variety out of several possible alternatives?

Mr. Cadigan.

Yes.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Is there any other information you would like to give us or any other testimony you would like to give us on the subject of the origin of the paper in the 142 bag?

Mr. Cadigan.

Well, possibly the comparisons made of paper samples from Jaggars Chiles-Stovall and from the William B. Riley Co.

Mr. Eisenberg.

These are, you have mentioned two companies at which Oswald was employed at one time?

Mr. Cadigan.

Yes.

Mr. Eisenberg.

You obtained paper from these companies, did you?

Mr. Cadigan.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Eisenberg.

And you matched them to see if they matched--you tested them to see if they matched the paper in the bag 142, is that correct?

Mr. Cadigan.

Yes; that is correct.

Mr. Eisenberg.

And your conclusion was what?

Mr. Cadigan.

That they were different.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Yes. Anything else?

Mr. Cadigan.

That is about it.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Mr. Chairman----