Mr. Stern.

If there are no other questions in this area, I have just one other point I would like to cover with Mr. Fain, and that is what were your instructions, Mr. Fain, as a special agent of the FBI, with regard to referring to the Secret Service information bearing upon the protection of the President, not in this case but as a general proposition?

Mr. Fain.

As a general proposition, if there was any information coming to our attention, express or implied, or any implication that the President might be in danger or anyone had made a threat of that character, we would always refer it to the Secret Service, that was made clear to us from the very beginning of my service.

Mr. Stern.

In your 20 years of service as a special agent did you ever have any occasion to refer information to the Secret Service?

Mr. Fain.

I don't remember any specific instances but I am sure there have been a few occasions where I have turned over some information like that and I have run several investigations out as to who this individual was and as to the what he was, and so forth.
But any indication of, a threat or otherwise I would have contacted my super-visor--it happened at Fort Worth at that time we didn't have a representative of Secret Service, it was covered out of Dallas, but if there had been anything like that, any indication of potential for violence or any threats I would have called my Dallas office and they Would have in turn advised the Secret Service.

Mr. Stern.

Did you see any reason to refer Lee Harvey Oswald to the Secret Service?

Mr. Fain.

No, sir; no, sir. I didn't see any potential for violence at that time; no, sir.

Mr. Stern.

Did he ever mention the President or the Presidency or-----

Mr. Fain.

No, sir.

Mr. Stern.

Or any elected official to you?

Mr. Fain.

No, sir.

Mr. Stern.

Governor Connally?

Mr. Fain.

No, sir.

Mr. Dulles.

Would the memoranda of these conversations be put in a file that was in any way special as to of doubtful character or suspicious character so that it might be referred to later under that category?

Mr. Fain.

They constantly review these, as I understand it, these matters.

Mr. Dulles.

Who is "they"?

Mr. Fain.

The supervisory desk over there constantly is going over these matters, and if there is any--they check the files to see if anything has come in on it that would look like it ought to be reopened.

Mr. Dulles.

But there was no mark on this file to indicate that this was a case that might have some pending interest from the point of view of security?

Mr. Fain.

No, sir; not that I am aware of.

Mr. Stern.

Is there anything you would like to add to anything you have told the Commission this morning, Mr. Fain?

Mr. Fain.

I believe not. I don't recall anything additionally.

Mr. Dulles.

Did you card all these files so that--and was there a card in your files under the name of Lee Harvey Oswald?

Mr. Fain.

Not in my files, but when it goes to Dallas they index all those.

Mr. Dulles.

They do that in Dallas?

Mr. Fain.

Yes, sir; and the seat of Government.

Mr. Dulles.

And there was a card on Lee Harvey Oswald, a special card, in addition to a file in the office?

Mr. Fain.

I am sure there was, there might have been an index.

Mr. Dulles.

But you didn't know that yourself?

Mr. Fain.

No, sir; but we didn't maintain one in Dallas--in Fort Worth.

Mr. Stern.

That is all.

The Chairman.

Well, Mr. Fain, thank you very much, sir, for your courtesy and your help to us. We appreciate it. Sorry to disturb you in your retirement.
(At this point Senator Cooper entered the hearing room.)
(At this point Representative Ford left the hearing room. )

The Chairman.

John Lester Quigley