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(Testimony of Winston G. , Accompanied By Fred B. Smith, Lawson)
Then I called to make sure that it arrived, which it had.
Representative Ford.
This was prior to Mr. Kellerman's departure with the President?
Mr. Lawson.
Yes, sir; it had to be done that early because they were gone out of Washington the day before they got to me.
Representative Ford.
Are your current regulations for preliminary report different now than they were at this time?
Mr. Lawson.
I believe for out-of-town trips we have a preliminary report and a final survey report.
Representative Ford.
Is the current format any different now than it was November 19?
Mr. Lawson.
I don't believe so. Again, there are things that you can add here, certain stops; you might have a motorcade list and you might not, if there isn't any motorcade.
Representative Ford.
I believe that is all. Do you want to proceed?
Mr. Dulles.
I have one or two questions that were brought up by your own questions. Did you have any discussion with the Dallas police about General Walker's activities?
Mr. Lawson.
No; I did not, but I knew that he was in this rightwing group and that Special Agent Howlett was pursuing this.
Mr. Dulles.
Was following its activities?
Mr. Lawson.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Dulles.
And he was one of your local----
Mr. Lawson.
He was the local agent.
Mr. Dulles.
Agent in Dallas. This morning when Agent Bouck testified, he left with us some memoranda, Commission Exhibit 762, setting forth 10 cases which had been looked into by the Dallas office during the period October 25, 1961 to October 30, 1963.
I note that a good many of these cases are marked closed, but I wanted to ask whether the reports of these cases were brought to your attention either before you left or after you got to Dallas, or are you familiar with them?
Mr. Lawson.
I am not familiar with them, but if they are active cases, people that----
Mr. Dulles.
In some cases it is stated, "Investigation completed." This particular case, CO2-34007, says:
"Investigation completed on December 12, 1963, by the Dallas office in Texas."
That means that this case at least was closed after the assassination. You don't recall that.
This is a report from a student at the university about a subject that made derogatory remarks against the President. You don't recall that case having been brought to your attention?
Mr. Lawson.
I know that Special Agent Howlett told me, I believe this might be connected with one of those informant things outside of Dallas that I was speaking about, but I don't know this--I know it was Texas. Whether this is the same one or not I don't know. But I would only have knowledge of something that was brought to their attention that the President's life was threatened, and I was given no information that such had occurred.
Mr. Dulles.
And so you don't recall any of these 10 or 9 other cases here? A good many of them are noted as closed. That situation would not be brought to your attention?
Mr. Lawson.
No; they would not.
Mr. Dulles.
Would not?
Mr. Lawson.
No.
Mr. Dulles.
In some cases it is noted, "Subsequent activity none." It is stated, "Periodic checkups were not deemed necessary. Prosecution was declined."
This was the case of a remark made by a gentleman at a bridge party. You don't recall that case?
Mr. Lawson.
No, sir; I wouldn't have any occasion to know what cases have come into PRS.
Mr. Dulles.
Even if they related to Dallas?
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