(Testimony of Winston G. , Accompanied By Fred B. Smith, Lawson)
Mr. Lawson.
anything to embarrass the President or hurt the President, we would be fled by the people whose jurisdiction it is to look into those matters or who might have a little bit more knowledge about them than the Secret Service.
Representative Ford.
When you got to Dallas, did you personally check with the local FBI office about any individuals or any groups?
Mr. Lawson.
No, sir; I did not. All the liaison either would be handled from the local SAC's office or through Washington.
Representative Ford.
That would be between some Secret Service office----
Mr. Lawson.
Either Mr. Sorrel's office and the local FBI office or from our office to the FBI headquarters in Washington.
Representative Ford.
In the ordinary course of events that information would be given to you?
Mr. Lawson.
Yes, sir.
Representative Ford.
In this case there was none?
Mr. Lawson.
I did find out that the police had sent over a couple of copies of these pamphlets, but that is the only information that I had of any liaison locally between the two.
Mr. Dulles.
Are you referring to Commission Exhibit No. 770?
Mr. Lawson.
Yes, sir; I am.
Mr. Dulles.
Do you know what action was taken with respect to this pamphlet by the Dallas police?
Mr. Lawson.
No; I do not, subsequent to that time.
Mr. Dulles.
How long before the President's visit to Dallas was this brought to your attention; do you remember?
Mr. Lawson.
Yes, sir; Thursday afternoon.
Mr. Dulles.
Thursday afternoon; Thursday before the Friday?
Mr. Lawson.
Yes, sir.
Representative Ford.
In this preliminary report dated November 19, which is Commission Exhibit 767, I notice there is no information in here about this extra effort that was made down there over and above the PRS.
Mr. Lawson.
Yes, sir.
Representative Ford.
Is the format for this laid out in advance?
Mr. Lawson.
Yes, sir; it is.
Representative Ford.
Do they give you an opportunity to add anything to it if you want to or feel you should?
Mr. Lawson.
It could be; yes; I am sure it could.
Representative Ford.
Was there any reason why you didn't indicate in this preliminary report what you had done in this regard?
Mr. Lawson.
No; that belongs in our PRS section of the report If this had occurred in September or October, and this report as it is here now, the final report had been sent in early, that would have been in there.
Representative Ford.
I don't understand that.
Mr. Lawson.
Approximately a month before the Dallas trip, we changed the reports, if there was time, of course, on all these. In Washington, D.C., for an on-the-record movement we have a report made up like this final one, only it isn't called final. It is a survey report, and it has everything in the introduction, PRS, and everything right in it, and then a supplemental report. For our out-of-town trips they had a preliminary survey report, and then a final survey report, so that if the report had been done in September, let's say, that would have been in it, because it is in the regular format under PRS. You put in under the PRS section anything containing any untoward incident, any information that you receive from PRS or anything that developed later.
Representative Ford.
This report I have here, final survey report, Commission Exhibit 768, does include that information?
Mr. Lawson.
Yes, sir; it does.
Representative Ford.
Do you know whether or not Mr. Kellerman had this preliminary report prior to his departure for Dallas?
Mr. Lawson.
Yes, sir; I prepared this Tuesday, late afternoon, and Tuesday evening, the 19th, and made arrangements to have it flown by airline to Washington, and then have an agent from the White House detail pick it up from the airplane, which is normal procedure both on the preliminary report, and when we use it to send the complete report ahead of time.
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