Mr. Ball.

Did you ask him how he got down to the jail?

Mr. Fritz.

Yes; I did.

Mr. Ball.

What did he say?

Mr. Fritz.

He told me he came down that ramp from the outside. So I told him, I said, "No, you couldn't have come down that ramp because there would be an officer at the top and an officer at the bottom and you couldn't come down that ramp." He said, "I am not going to talk to you any more, I am not going to get into trouble," and he never talked to me any more about it.

Mr. Ball.

Did you ever talk to him again?

Mr. Fritz.

I don't think I ever talked to him after that. I talked to him a little while then and I don't believe I ever talked to him after that. I asked him when he first decided to kill Oswald, and he didn't tell me that. He told me something else, talked about something else.

Mr. Ball.

What was that time, you said you could give us the time?

Mr. Fritz.

Yes, sir; I can give you the time. 3:05.

Mr. Ball.

What time?

Mr. Fritz.

3:05.

Mr. Ball.

3:05 in the afternoon?

Mr. Fritz.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Did you know that Archer or Dean or Newman had talked to Ruby?

Mr. Fritz.

I didn't know that they had talked to him. I knew that some officers had talked to him but I didn't know who they were.

Mr. Ball.

Were there any reports given you by any one of these three men, Dean----

Mr. Fritz.

They weren't given to me. Those reports were given to the investigative team that the chief setup headed by Captain Jones and some of the inspectors and they gave me a copy. I have copies of it.

Mr. Ball.

You have copies of those reports?

Mr. Fritz.

Yes, sir; I do.

Mr. Ball.

Do you know, did you know prior to the trial of Ruby that either Dean or Archer or Newman, either one, had claimed to have talked to Ruby about his premeditation in the killing of Oswald?

Mr. Fritz.

Well, sir, I didn't know, I wouldn't have known that. They never told me about that. I wouldn't have known. I think that maybe the chief had taken some report from Dean, but I didn't see that until, I think I put it in this book a few days ago.

Mr. Ball.

Well now, did you have charge of the investigation of the Oswald killing?

Mr. Fritz.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

You were in charge of that?

Mr. Fritz.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Then all the reports would come to you?

Mr. Fritz.

Come here; yes, sir. With one exception. The reports from all those officers in the security in the basement. You see, I had nothing to do with setting up the security in the basement, that was under the security division and the chief might have given that assignment to, those are in a different book, they are in a report made to this investigative team appointed by the chief. We have their copies, too.

Mr. Ball.

Well, but you had charge of the investigation of the homicide?

Mr. Fritz.

The homicide but I didn't have charge of the investigation of the basement incident.

Mr. Ball.

Well, the reason for my question is that there has been some question raised as to testimony in the Ruby trial of these men, Dean, Archer, and Newman.

Mr. Fritz.

Yes, sir; I heard that.

Mr. Ball.

And they have testified to certain statements made that they heard from Ruby afterward, and the question is whether or not these men have reported to you that they had heard that.

Mr. Fritz.

They didn't report it to me; no, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Or reported it in writing to their department?

Mr. Fritz.

They didn't report it to me, if they reported to anyone I didn't