Mr. Fritz.

The lights were almost blinding.

Mr. Ball.

Did you see the people in the crowd?

Mr. Fritz.

I could see the people but I could hardly tell who they were, because of the lights. I have been wearing glasses this year and with glasses those lights don't help you facing a bright light like that, the lights were glaring.

Mr. Ball.

How far ahead of Ruby were you?

Mr. Fritz.

Well. I thought they were fight behind me almost but I noticed from the picture they were a little further back than I actually thought they were, probably where Mr. Baker is to this gentleman. I believe maybe a little bit farther than that, maybe about----

Mr. Ball.

How far behind Oswald were you, how far behind Oswald. Oswald was behind you?

Mr. Fritz.

Behind me.

Mr. Ball.

How many feet would you say?

Mr. Fritz.

In feet I would say probably 8 feet.

Mr. Ball.

Did you ever know of Jack Ruby?

Mr. Fritz.

No, sir; I never did know him. I never knew him at all. Some of the officers knew him. But I never knew him.

Mr. Ball.

Were there any flashbulbs or were they just steady beams of light?

Mr. Fritz.

I didn't see any flashing lights. These were steady blinding lights that I saw. That I couldn't see, you might say.

Mr. Dulles.

These were television cameras?
(Discussion off the record.)

Mr. Ball.

Did you hear of Warren Reynolds?

Mr. Fritz.

Warren Reynolds?

Mr. Ball.

Who was shot sometime afterwards?

Mr. Fritz.

Used car lot man?

Mr. Ball.

Used car lot?

Mr. Fritz.

Yes, sir; I talked to him. He was shot through the head.

Mr. Ball.

Yes.

Mr. Fritz.

I didn't talk to him very long because I didn't have to talk to him long or I didn't have to talk to him very long but he told me two or three different stories and I could tell he was a sick man and he had no doubt brain damage from that bullet and he is apt to say anything.

Mr. Ball.

What did he say?

Mr. Fritz.

He told me that--he told me two or three stories, one story he told me when they first brought him into me, for me to talk to him, he told me that he saw this Ruby coming down there and he told him--he said he followed him up and saw which way he went.

Mr. Ball.

Ruby?

Mr. Fritz.

Saw Oswald.

Mr. Ball.

Oswald?

Mr. Fritz.

Yes, Oswald, and I questioned him further and I asked him, how far, how close was the closest you were ever to him, how far were you from him? He said, well, from that car lot across the street there. Well, of course, if he had been at a car lot across the street it would be difficult to follow him on the sidewalk. It would be quite difficult so I talked to him for just a short time and I didn't bother with him any more.
I already had some history on him because the other bureau, the forgery bureau had been handling him and they had already told me a lot about him. They discounted anything that he told.

Mr. Ball.

Did you find out who shot him and why he was shot?

Mr. Fritz.

This man on the car lot?

Mr. Ball.

Yes.

Mr. Fritz.

They think it might have been over a car deal but they are not positive and I don't know that he will ever tell them.

Mr. Ball.

Have you ever discovered any connection between the shooting of Warren Reynolds and the killing?

Mr. Fritz.

Never.

Mr. Ball.

The assassination of the President?