Mr. Ball.

Had you been requested by Sheriff Decker to transfer him there before?

Mr. Fritz.

No, sir. I had talked to the chief about transferring him down there. The chief had called me on the 23d, on the 23d, I can't give you the exact minute, probably a little after noon, he had called me and asked me when we would be ready to transfer him and I told him we were still questioning him. We didn't want to transfer him yet. He said, "Can he be ready by about 4 o'clock? Can he be transferred by 4 o'clock?" I told him I didn't think we could.

Mr. Ball.

That would be Saturday afternoon?

Mr. Fritz.

That would be the 23d, would be Saturday, yes, sir. Then he asked me could he be ready by 10 o'clock in the morning, so I could tell these people something definitely, and I felt sure we would be ready by then. However, we didn't, we ran overtime as you can see by this report, an hour and a half over, when they come over to transfer him.

Mr. Ball.

Why did you say you would not be ready by 4 o'clock on Saturday?

Mr. Fritz.

We wanted to ask him some more questions, to get more information.

Mr. Ball.

Did you consider transferring him at night?

Mr. Fritz.

At night?

Mr. Ball.

Yes.

Mr. Fritz.

During the night on Saturday night, I had a call at my home from uniformed captain, Captain Frazier, I believe is his name, he called me out at home and told me they had had some threats and he had to transfer Oswald.
And I said, well, I don't know. I said there has been no security setup, and the chief having something to do with this transfer and you had better call him, because---so he told me he would.

Mr. Ball.

Did you think----

Mr. Fritz.

He called me back then in a few minutes and he told me he couldn't get the chief and told me to leave him where he was. I don't think that transferring him at night would have been any safer than transferring, may I say this?

Mr. Ball.

Yes.

Mr. Fritz.

Any safer than transferring him during the day. I have always felt that that was Ruby who made that call, I may be wrong, but he was out late that night and I have always felt he might have made that call, if two or three. of those officers had started out with him they may have had the same trouble they had the next morning.
I don't know whether we had been transferring him ourselves, I don't know that we would have used this same method but we certainly would have used security of some kind.

Mr. Ball.

Now weren't you transferring him?

Mr. Fritz.

Sir, yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

What do you mean if we were transferring him ourselves?

Mr. Fritz.

I mean transferring like I was told to transfer him.

Mr. Ball.

I beg your pardon?

Mr. Fritz.

I was transferring him like the chief told me to transfer him.

Mr. Ball.

How would you have transferred him?

Mr. Fritz.

I did do one thing here, I should tell you about. When the chief came back and asked me if I was ready to transfer him, I told him I had already complained to the chief about the big cameras set up in the jail office and I was afraid we couldn't get out of the jail with him with all those cameras and all those people in the jail office.
So when the chief came back he asked if we were ready to transfer and I said, "We are ready if the security is ready," and he said, "It is all set up." He said, "The people are across the street, and the newsmen are all well back in the garage," and he said "It is all set."
And at that time he told me, he said, "We have. got the money wagon up there to transfer him in," and I said, "Well, I don't like the idea, chief, of transferring him in a money wagon." We, of course, didn't know the driver, nor who he was, nor anything about the money wagon, and he said, "Well, that is all right. Transfer him in your car like you want to, and we will use the money wagon