Mr. Fritz.

I did; yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

What did you ask him about that?

Mr. Fritz.

I believe he had three of those cards if I remember correctly, and he told me that was the name that he picked up in New Orleans that he had used sometimes. One of the cards looked like it might have been altered a little bit and one of them I believe was the Fair Play for Cuba and one looked like a social security card or something.

Mr. Ball.

Yes.

Mr. Fritz.

We have pictures of those cards here. You no doubt have them.

Mr. Ball.

Yes. We have them. Did he say that he had used that as a name?

Mr. Fritz.

He told me that is a name he picked up in New Orleans.

Mr. Ball.

Did he say----

Mr. Fritz.

I presumed by that he had used it by saying he had picked it up in New Orleans.

Mr. Ball.

To one officer he said he didn't want to talk about that or he wouldn't talk about that?

Mr. Fritz.

That is right. Very often he would do that. He would tell him some things and tell me some things.

Mr. Ball.

I am talking about this card, A. Hidell. Do you recall whether he told you he had picked it up in New Orleans and--or did he tell you he didn't want to talk about it? He wouldn't talk about it?

Mr. Fritz.

He didn't tell me he wouldn't want to talk about it. He told me he had picked it up down there and when I questioned further then he told me he didn't want to talk about it.

Mr. Ball.

Now, the next morning or the next day you questioned him again, didn't you?

Mr. Fritz.

Let's see, that would be on the 23d.

Mr. Ball.

You had another showup on the 23d in the afternoon, but apparently that morning before the showup you talked to him in your office?

Mr. Fritz.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

What do your records show as to the first time you talked to him on November 23?

Mr. Fritz.

Let's see.

Mr. Ball.

I believe if you will look on page 6 of 137B of your formal report that will refresh your memory.

Mr. Fritz.

Which part of this do you want now?

Mr. Ball.

I want to know what time you started to question him on November 23.

Mr. Fritz.

I think I can get that time out of the little book.

Mr. Ball.

If you look at the top of page 6 there.

Mr. Fritz.

I don't have it.

Mr. Ball.

Do you have 137B?

Mr. Fritz.

Yes; I have it. I show 10:25 a.m.

Mr. Ball.

10:35?

Mr. Fritz.

10:25.

Mr. Ball.

10:25 a.m.?

Mr. Fritz.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Who was present at this time? Still-look at your notes there.

Mr. Fritz.

I show here Jim Bookhout, Forrest Sorrels, special agent in charge of Secret Service, Robert Nash, who is U.S. marshal there in Dallas, and an officer besides myself.

Mr. Ball.

What officer beside yourself?

Mr. Fritz.

I have that in here.

Mr. Ball.

Tell me what you talked about this morning on the 23d? You called him down there for a certain purpose, didn't you?

Mr. Fritz.

Let's see if this is the morning of the 24th, is it--is this the 23d or 24th?

Mr. Ball.

This is Saturday morning, the 23d.

Mr. Fritz.

Saturday morning.

Mr. Ball.

You learned certain things from your investigation of the day before, hadn't you?