Mr. Fritz.

Yes, sir; the first time. He asked about an attorney, and I told him he certainly could have an attorney any time he wanted it. I told him he could have an attorney any time he liked, any attorney he wanted. I told him, I said, we will do it. He said he wanted an attorney in New York. And he gave me his name, Mr. Abt, and he said that is who he wanted, and I told him he could have anyone he liked. He said, well, he knew about a case that he had handled some years ago, where he represented the people who had violated, the Smith Act, and he said, "I don't know him personally, but that is the attorney I want."
He said, "If I can't get him then I may get the American Civil Liberties Union to get me an attorney."

Mr. Ball.

Was there anything said about calling him on the telephone?

Mr. Fritz.

A little bit later.

Mr. Ball.

Not that time?

Mr. Fritz.

Not that minute. A little bit later, he asked something else about an attorney and I said, "Did you call an attorney?" And he said, "You know I can't use the telephone." And I said, "Yes, you can; anybody can use a telephone." So, I told them to be sure to let him use a telephone and the next time I talked to him he thanked me for that, so I presume he called.

Mr. Ball.

You don't know whether he called?

Mr. Fritz.

I don't know whether he did or not.

Mr. Ball.

When you say a little bit later, you mean another period of questioning?

Mr. Fritz.

Sometime during that talk.

Mr. Ball.

You haven't identified these periods of questioning by time.

Mr. Fritz.

I can't identify them positively. I can do the best I can by memory, but I wouldn't want to try to answer any of these questions by time because I might get them in the wrong question and in the wrong--time span.

Mr. Ball.

At 6:30 you had another showup, at which time McWatters, Guinyard, and Callaway--do you remember those witnesses? Callaway is the car salesman, and Sam Guinyard is the porter at the used-car lot at the corner of Patton and Jefferson, and McWatters is a cabdriver--no; is a busdriver.

Mr. Fritz.

We have the names; if those names are right, that is true. At that time on this showup we put some officers up on the stage with him; officers stayed on the stage with him during the showup.

Mr. Ball.

I point that time out as 6:30 because it appears that you started to question Oswald after you had the Markham showup sometime after 4:35, 4:40, 4:45. Did you question him steadily from then until 6:30, the time of the second showup?

Mr. Fritz.

I don't--I don't believe there was any time when I went through a very long period without having to step to the door, or step outside, to get a report from some pair of officers, or to give them additional assignments.

Mr. Ball.

Where did you keep him; in what room?

Mr. Fritz.

In my office there.

Mr. Ball.

He was in your office all the time?

Mr. Fritz.

Yes, sir; within there.

Mr. Ball.

Between the two showups at 4:35 and 6:30, he was in your office all the time?

Mr. Fritz.

Well, I believe he was there all that time; let's see, 4:30 to 6:30; I don't remember him being carried out there any time.

Mr. Ball.

Was he being questioned by somebody all the time, whether you or somebody else?

Mr. Fritz.

I doubt it, because I don't think those officers talked to him very much while I was out of the office. I think they might have asked him a few questions, but didn't ask him much.

Mr. Ball.

Were you present at the showup when Callaway and Guinyard and the busdriver were there?

Mr. Fritz.

I don't believe so.

Mr. Ball.

Now, your records show that in your office at 6:37 there was an arraignment; do you remember that?

Mr. Fritz.

Yes, sir; I remember that arraignment.

Mr. Ball.

Will you tell us what happened then? It doesn't show arraignments.