Mr. Fritz.

Not to him; not for him to see.

Mr. Ball.

You never showed it to him?

Mr. Fritz.

No, sir. I asked him if he owned a rifle and he said he did not. I asked him if he had ever owned a rifle. He said a good many years ago he owned a small rifle but he hadn't owned one for a long time. I asked him if he owned a rifle in Russia and he said, "You know you can't own a rifle in Russia." He said, "I had a shotgun over there. You can't own a rifle in Russia." And he denied owning a rifle of any kind.

Mr. Ball.

Didn't he say that he had seen a rifle at the building?

Mr. Fritz.

Yes, sir; he told me he had seen a rifle at the building 2 or 3 days before that Mr. Truly and some men were looking at.

Mr. Ball.

You asked him why he left the building, didn't you?

Mr. Fritz.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

He told you because he didn't think there would be any work?

Mr. Fritz.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Did you ask him what he did after he left the building?

Mr. Fritz.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

What did he say?

Mr. Fritz.

He told me he went over and caught a bus and rode the bus to North Beckley near where he lived and went by home and changed clothes and got his pistol and went to the show. I asked him why he took his pistol and he said, "Well, you know about a pistol; I just carried it." Let's see if I asked him anything else right that minute. That is just about it.

Mr. Ball.

Did you ask him if he killed Tippit?

Mr. Fritz.

Sir?

Mr. Ball.

Did you ask him if he shot Tippit?

Mr. Fritz.

Oh, yes.

Mr. Ball.

What did he say.

Mr. Fritz.

He denied it---that he did not. The only thing he said he had done wrong, "The only law I violated was in the show; I hit the officer in the show; he hit me in the eye and I guess I deserved it." He said, "That is the only law I violated." He said, "That is the only thing I have done wrong."

Mr. Ball.

Now, in this first conversation he told you that he had lived at 1026 Beckley, didn't he?

Mr. Fritz.

Yes, sir. He didn't know whether it was north or south.

Mr. Ball.

And you sent a group of officers out there to search that address?

Mr. Fritz.

Yes, sir; that is right.

Mr. Ball.

Before you talked to him the second time you had talked to Ports on the telephone, had you not?

Mr. Fritz.

Yes, sir; I had.

Mr. Ball.

He told you what he had done?

Mr. Fritz.

Yes, sir. I should have remembered that when I talked to you this morning.

Mr. Ball.

Wasn't there some conversation also about what his political beliefs were?

Mr. Fritz.

I believe that is later. I asked him about his political beliefs and he said that he believed in fair play for Cuba. He said he was a member of the Fair Play for Cuba organization. They had headquarters in New York, had an office in New Orleans.
At one time he had been secretary for this organization down there. I asked him if he belonged to any other organizations of any kind, and he said he belonged to the American Civil Liberties Union, and I asked him what dues he paid. He said, "$5 per month." I believe he said, or for a year. I am not positive about that. I would have to look at my notes.

Mr. Ball.

Was that at the first or second questioning?

Mr. Fritz.

I think it was the second or third; that was later.

Mr. Ball.

Later on?

Mr. Fritz.

Yes, sir. I don't think I talked to him about his political beliefs until later.

Mr. Ball.

Did you say anything to him about an attorney the first time you talked to him?