Mr. Curry.

Approximately, yes.
(Discussion off the record.)

Mr. Rankin.

When did you first learn of Officer Tippit's murder?

Mr. Curry.

While I was out at Parkland Hospital. That is after we had taken the President there and the Governor, and we were waiting there.

Mr. Rankin.

Now, on these showups for Lee Oswald, did you have any special security arrangements about bringing him in among all this crowd of news people?

Mr. Curry.

We had some police officers bringing him down. I was there, Captain Fritz went, I don't believe he went inside the door. He went to the door, I believe. There were several officers there, yes.

Mr. Rankin.

Was this more than usual?

Mr. Curry.

Perhaps so; yes. Ordinarily there would have been maybe a jailer and a Jail guard with the prisoner. And there would have been the detective out with the witnesses.

Mr. Rankin.

Were you disturbed about the security for Lee Oswald with all this crowd?

Mr. Curry.

Not at that time. I really didn't suspect any trouble from the news media. I thought they were there doing a professional job of reporting the news and I had no reason to be concerned about the news media.

Mr. Rankin.

Did it concern you that there were so many additional people to try to keep track of as well as----

Mr. Curry.

Yes, sir; it did.

Mr. Rankin.

What did you do about it?

Mr. Curry.

I didn't do anything about it but I was concerned about it. I was thinking that we were going to have to, in the event we have had an incident like this occur again, that we would have to. make some different arrangements for the press. We couldn't, when I say the press, the news media, we couldn't have the city hall overrun like this.

Mr. Rankin.

Did it occur to you to do anything about stopping it right then?

Mr. Curry.

No. I didn't discuss it with any of my staff that we should clear all these people out of here and get them outside the city hall.

Mr. Rankin.

You gave no consideration to that kind of approach?

Mr. Curry.

Not at the time.

Mr. Rankin.

Now after the interrogation of Oswald, did you make some decision about moving him?

Mr. Curry.

Not at that particular time. It is customary after we file on a person that he be removed from the city hall.

Mr. Rankin.

What do you mean by file on a person?

Mr. Curry.

File a case against him and that is necessary to go to the district attorney's office usually, and in this case the district attorney was there and we filed it at the city hall because the district attorney was with us.

Mr. Rankin.

A criminal complaint?

Mr. Curry.

A criminal complaint. After we file this complaint it is customary for the prisoner to be transferred from the city to the county jail and to remain in custody until he makes bond or is brought to trial

Mr. Rankin.

That is a regular practice?

Mr. Curry.

Yes, sir. These transfers are usually made by the sheriff's office, sometime during the morning.

Mr. Rankin.

By the sheriff's office you mean it is the sheriff's responsibility?

Mr. Curry.

Routine transfers are made. It is not a hard and fast custom. Many times we will take the prisoner to the sheriff.

Mr. Rankin.

Who decides which way you will do it?

Mr. Curry.

It is left up to the bureau commander.

Mr. Rankin.

What do you mean by the bureau commander?

Mr. Curry.

That is handling the case.

Mr. Rankin.

Who would that be in this case?

Mr. Curry.

In this case it would have been Captain Fritz.

Mr. Rankin.

And he decides then in all cases of this type whether or not the police will take him across to the sheriff's jail or the sheriff will come and get him?