Mr. Curry.

coming down the hall someone asked him what was the matter with his eye and he said, "A cop hit me," I believe, or "A policeman hit me."

Representative Ford.

Did you ask Oswald whether he had been mistreated?

Mr. Curry.

I don't believe I did, sir.

Representative Ford.

But you talked to Oswald on one or more occasions?

Mr. Curry.

I don't know that I ever asked him any questions at all. I was present during the interrogation, but he was very sullen and arrogant and he didn't have much to say to anybody. Fritz, I think did more talking to him than anybody else.

Representative Ford.

But not in your presence did he object to any treatment he received from the Dallas police force?

Mr. Curry.

No, sir; I would like to say for the record that we are very strict on our officers in the treatment of prisoners, and we have a personnel section setup that any person who complains that they have been mistreated by the police officer, a thorough investigation is made, and if it is determined that he has been mistreated in any way, disciplinary action is taken, and on occasion we have, not frequently, but on occasion where we have found that this has been true we have dismissed personnel for mistreating a prisoner, so our personnel know positively this is not tolerated regardless of who it is.

Mr. Rankin.

Chief, you have described a showup, and you have also described the general practice. You have also described showups in regard to Oswald and you said there were several of them.

Mr. Curry.

When I said several, to the best of my knowledge there were perhaps three altogether.

Mr. Rankin.

Yes, one you were describing when the screen was not used was not for the purpose of identification, is that right?

Mr. Curry.

No, sir; unless some of the news media had come forward and said, "We saw that man"; you see a lot of that news media, that was present, were with the Presidential party and there is a possibility that some of them might have said we saw this man to leave the scene.

Mr. Rankin.

So the principal reason was to allow the news media?

Mr. Curry.

The principal reason was at their request that they be allowed to see the prisoner.

Mr. Rankin.

And he wasn't placed back of the screen at that time?

Mr. Curry.

No, sir; he was not.

Mr. Rankin.

And whatever identification there would be would be under the hope that they might have seen him?

Mr. Curry.

They might have seen him because a great number of the news media were at the scene of the shooting or in the immediate area.

Mr. Rankin.

And that is the particular showup when you learned later Jack Ruby was supposed to have been present?

Mr. Curry.

I was told that he was present. That someone had. seen him back in this room. He easily could have been there as far as I was concerned because I wouldn't have known him from anyone else.

Mr. Rankin.

At the other showups, were witnesses there to try to identify Oswald?

Mr. Curry.

Yes, there were.

Mr. Rankin.

How were those handled, do you know?

Mr. Curry.

Exactly the same manner except that he was brought in behind the screen, and was handcuffed to some police officers or other prisoners.

Mr. Rankin.

Do you know who was there to try to identify him?

Mr. Curry.

Only on one occasion. This was a little lady that was a waitress.

Mr. Rankin.

Mrs. Markham?

Mr. Curry.

I believe her name was Mrs. Markham.

Mr. Rankin.

Do you believe whether she was able to identify him?

Mr. Curry.

Yes, I heard her tell Captain Fritz that was the man she saw shoot the officer.

Mr. Rankin.

And that was Officer Tippit?

Mr. Curry.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Rankin.

What kind of a reputation did Officer Tippit have with the police force?

Mr. Dulles.

Could I ask one question before that. Were you present when