Mr. Rankin.

It would be more than the height of a car?

Mr. Curry.

Yes; two heights.

Mr. Rankin.

Two heights.

Mr. Curry.

I think it is a 13- or 14-foot clearance.

Mr. Rankin.

Trucks could get under that?

Mr. Curry.

Yes.

Mr. Rankin.

Then what happened?

Mr. Curry.

Then we heard this report.

Mr. Rankin.

Now, how far along from the corner of Elm and Houston were you at the time of that?

Mr. Curry.

I think we were perhaps a couple of hundred feet or so.

Mr. Rankin.

How fast were you going then?

Mr. Curry.

I think we were going between 10 or 12 miles an hour, maybe up to 15 miles an hour.

Mr. Rankin.

Then what happened?

Mr. Curry.

We heard this report, and then all of the tension that followed I have told you.

Mr. Rankin.

Yes.

Mr. Dulles.

What was the distance between your car and the President's car approximately?

Mr. Curry.

Mr. Dulles, I believe to the best of my knowledge it would have been 100, 125 feet.

Mr. Dulles.

Between your car and the President's car?

Mr. Curry.

Yes, we stayed pretty close to them. In the planning of this motorcade, we had had more motorcycles lined up to be with the President's car, but the Secret Service didn't want that many.

Mr. Rankin.

Did they tell you why?

Mr. Curry.

We actually had two on each side but we wanted four on each side and they asked us to drop out some of them and back down the motorcade, along the motorcade, which we did.

Mr. Rankin.

How many motorcycles did you have?

Mr. Curry.

I think we had four on each side of him.

Mr. Rankin.

How many did you want to have?

Mr. Curry.

We actually had two on each side side but we wanted four on each side and they asked us to drop out some of them and back down the motorcade, along the motorcade, which we did.

Mr. Rankin.

So that you in fact only had two on each side of his car?

Mr. Curry.

Two on each side and they asked them to remain at the rear fender so if the crowd moved in on him they could move in to protect him from the crowd.

Mr. Rankin.

Who asked him to stay at the rear fender?

Mr. Curry.

I believe Mr. Lawson.

Mr. Rankin.

The Secret Service man?

Mr. Curry.

Yes, sir. Also we had planned to have Captain Fritz and some of his homicide detectives immediately following the President's car which we have in the past, we have always done this.

Mr. Rankin.

Now, would that be between the President's car and the Secret Service?

Mr. Curry.

And the Secret Service. We have in past done this. We have been immediately behind the President's car.

Mr. Rankin.

Did you propose that to someone?

Mr. Curry.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Rankin.

Who did you propose it to?

Mr. Curry.

To Mr. Lawson and Mr. Sellers.

Mr. Rankin.

What did they say about that?

Mr. Curry.

They didn't want it.

Mr. Rankin.

Did they tell you why?

Mr. Curry.

They said the Secret Service would be there.

Mr. Rankin.

And then?

Mr. Curry.

They said we can put this vehicle in between Captain Fritz and his detectives immediately at the end of the motorcade. They said, "No, we