Mr. Curry.

I didn't know Jack Ruby. Actually the first time I saw Jack Ruby to know Jack Ruby was in a bond hearing or I believe it was a bond hearing, and I recognized him sitting at counsel's table.
The impression has been given that a great many-of the Dallas Police Department knew Jack Ruby.

Mr. Rankin.

What is the fact in that regard?

Mr. Curry.

The fact of that as far as I know there are a very small percentage of the Dallas Police Department that knows Jack Ruby.

Mr. Rankin.

Did you make an inquiry to find out?

Mr. Curry.

Yes; I did, yes, sir. And so far as I know most of the men who knew Jack Ruby are men who were assigned to the vice squad of the police department or who had worked the radio patrol district where he had places and in the course----

Mr. Rankin.

How many men would that be?

Mr. Curry.

I am guessing, perhaps 25 men. This is merely a guess on my part.

Mr. Rankin.

How large is your police force?

Mr. Curry.

Approximately 1,200. I would say 1,175 people. I would say less, I believe less than 50 people knew him. From what I have found out since then that he is the type that if he saw a policeman, or he came to his place of business he would probably run up and make himself acquainted with him.
I also have learned since this time he tried to ingratiate himself with any of the news media or any of the reporters who had anything to do, he was always constantly trying to get publicity for his clubs or for himself.

Mr. Rankin.

Now, at this showup, is there some screen between the person in custody?

Mr. Curry.

There is a time there wasn't at this time.

Mr. Rankin.

Why not?

Mr. Curry.

No particular reason. They just, a lot of the news media say they didn't think they could see him up there or couldn't get pictures of him up there and we brought him in there in front of the screen and kept him there as I recall only about 4 or 5 minutes and shoving up close to him and taking shots of him and took him upstairs and I believe the district attorney and his assistant stayed down and perhaps talked to the news media for several minutes.
But we took Harvey Oswald back upstairs and I think I went back to my office.

Mr. Dulles.

This was the evening of Friday, was it not?

Mr. Curry.

I believe so, sir.

Mr. Dulles.

Did you say Ruby was present that evening?

Mr. Curry.

I have understood he was. But to my own knowledge, I wouldn't have known him because I didn't know him.

Mr. Mccloy.

You said you first saw Ruby when?

Mr. Curry.

In a trial. I believe it was for a bond hearing where they were attempting to get bond for him. And I saw him sitting at a counsel table and recognized him from pictures I had seen of him in the paper.

Mr. Dulles.

This is some time before the assassination?

Mr. Mccloy.

This is the trial incident to the trial of Ruby, as I understand it?

Mr. Dulles.

You had not seen him before?

Mr. Curry.

No, sir.

Mr. Mccloy.

It was a bond hearing incident to the trial?

Mr. Curry.

If I had seen him I wouldn't have known him.

Mr. Mccloy.

I don't want to again interrupt but I don't know whether we have passed by all of the questions you wanted to ask the chief in regard to the motorcade and the time of the assassination.
I thought maybe we might ask him whether or what was his estimate of the speed of the motorcade, for example.

Mr. Rankin.

We haven't covered that period because of the way we started, and I think we could go back, Chief, if you will, to, say, at the point the motorcade left Main Street and started down Houston, and then down Elm up to the time off the shots.
Will you describe that, where you and what the motorcade consisted of?