Mrs. Paine.

It seemed to me they lived on a very small budget. In March of the year, at either the first or second visit with her, she told me she lived :on something under, around $200 a month and this was more than they had been, because they had just finished paying a debt that they had incurred for their passage to this country and they were feeling rich on $200 a month, and
I could see she was a good planner in what she bought. I could see they seldom, if ever, bought clothes for themselves or even for June. In the fall then Lee never volunteered or gave any money for the cost of her being at my house. He did on one occasion buy a few things at the grocery store for, at Marina's request, which he paid for, and on another occasion I was aware that he had given her some money to buy shoes. Did I mention this previously?

Representative Ford.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Yesterday afternoon you did; yes.

Representative Ford.

But even after he gained employment at the Texas School Book Depository and was being paid he never gave her any money for her to contribute to you?

Mrs. Paine.

No: he did not.

Representative Ford.

Did Marina ever express any concern about this?

Mrs. Paine.

Periodically she expressed her embarrassment at having to receive always from me. I tried to convince her how useful and helpful it was to me to have her conversation, but I never felt I had convinced her of that. I would have to say I am guessing that she hoped Lee would contribute. It would have been like her to think that he should.

Mr. Jenner.

You gather that from the fact that she did raise the subject occasionally?

Mrs. Paine.

Just from the fact that she raised her embarrassment? Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Yes.

Representative Ford.

I think that is all now. Mr. Jenner, you can use those to supplement or as you see fit during the interrogation this afternoon. Thank you.

Mr. Mccloy.

I have no more questions.
I would like to say. this though, perhaps, Mrs. Paine, that you understand we are not trying to punish anybody here. We are not.

Mrs. Paine.

I do understand.

Mr. Mccloy.

This is not a court of law. We are trying to get at the facts.

Anything that you can contribute before you complete your testimony which would help us to get the facts we would like to receive, whether it be in the form of hunches or anything that you have, and you must not, I suggest that you don't, assume that merely because we haven't examined you on a particular fact that if there is anything that you do have in mind that you advance it and volunteer it for the benefit of the further security of the country.

Mrs. Paine.

I have tried very hard to think of the things that I thought would be useful to you, especially as we had so little time in advance of testifying to help me recall in thinking about it.

Mr. Jenner.

May I say, Mr. McCloy, that Mrs. Paine yesterday and the day before, when I had an opportunity to talk with her, she did volunteer several matters of which we had no notice whatsoever. For example, the telephone calls by Lee Harvey Oswald to her, we had not known of that. And the existence of the curtain rods.

Mr. Mccloy.

Anything that is in the background that you have--

Mrs. Paine.

I did want to amend my testimony of yesterday in one small particular. I spoke, indeed, during the testimony I recalled this incident of Lee having gotten into my car, started it, and did the driving from my home to the parking lot where we practiced, pretty much over my objection in a sense but I did not object strongly enough. I said this was about three blocks. That would appear that it was walking distance. It was longer than that.
If you have someone out there in time, why I could go with the person to show just exactly what the distance was.

Representative Ford.

What was his reaction when you objected? First, was your objection just oral, was it strong, was it admonition, of what kind?

Mrs. Paine.

I felt that, and this is what you are getting at too and I think something we haven't yet discussed, is the matter of what kind of person this