Mr. Jenner.

But Mrs. Kloepfer, as far as you are informed, had no command of the Russian language?

Mrs. Paine.

Absolutely none. She was the only person I knew to try to contact to ask if she knew or could find anyone in New Orleans who knew Russian, and she said she didn't know anyone, over the phone.

Mr. Jenner.

I see.

Mrs. Paine.

And I, therefore, also tried to get Mrs. Blanchard to seek out someone who could talk to Marina.

Mr. Jenner.

Mrs. Blanchard had no command of the Russian language, as far as you knew?

Mrs. Paine.

I would be certain she didn't.

Mr. Jenner.

Have you described for us generally the course of events in the 2 days and 3 nights you were there?

Mrs. Paine.

Well, much of the last portion, some of the last portion of Sunday was spent packing up. It was a very well loaded automobile by then, because I already had a great many of my own, including a boat on the top of the car to which we attached the. playpen, stroller, and other things on top. I should describe in detail the packing, which was another thing that made me feel that he did care for his wife.
We left on Monday morning, yes, Monday morning early, the 23d, and it seemed to me he was very sorry to see her go. They kissed goodbye and we got in the car and I started down intending really to go no farther than the first gas station because I had a soft rear tire and I wasn't going to have a flat with this great pile of goods on top of not only my car but my spare, so I went down to the first gas station that was open a couple blocks down, and prepared to buy a fire.
Lee having watched us, walked down to the gas station and talked and visited while I arranged to have the tire changed, bought a new one and had it changed. I felt he wished or thought he should be offering something toward the cost of the tire. He said, "That sure is going to cost a lot, isn't it?" And I said, "Yes; but car owners have to expect that." This is as close as he came to offering financial help. But it was at least a gesture.

Mr. Jenner.

Then there was no financial help given you?

Mrs. Paine.

There was no financial help.

Mr. Jenner.

Given you by Lee Harvey Oswald?

Mrs. Paine.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

In connection with the return of Marina to Irving, Tex.?

Mrs. Paine.

And he did not at this time give her, so far as I know, any small change or petty cash to take with her, whereas when he left her in late April to go to my house, she to go to my house, and he to go to New Orleans, he left $10 or so with her. She spent that on incidentals.

Mr. Jenner.

Mrs. Paine, did he ever, during all of the period of your acquaintance with the Oswalds, ever offer any reimbursement financially or anything at all to you?

Mrs. Paine.

No; he never offered anything to me.

Mr. Jenner.

Was there any discussion between you and him on the subject?

Mrs. Paine.

No. As close as we came to such discussion was saying that when they had enough money and perhaps after Christmas they would get an apartment again, and I judged, felt that he was saving money towards renting a furnished apartment for his family.

Mr. Jenner.

Now, I used the term "offer." Did he ever offer? Did he in fact ever give you any money?

Mrs. Paine.

He in fact never gave me any money, either. He did give Marina.

Mr. Jenner.

The one incident of which you are speaking or on other occasions?

Mrs. Paine.

There was that one incident in April.

Mr. Jenner.

Yes.

Mrs. Paine.

He did give her, I think, $10, just prior, or some time close to the time of the assassination, because she planned to buy some shoes.

Mr. Jenner.

Shoes for herself, or her children?

Mrs. Paine.

For herself, flat s. But when he gave that to her I am not certain. I do know that we definitely planned to go out on Friday afternoon, the 22d of November, to buy those shoes. We did not go.