Mrs. Paine.

it seems to me I learned that she had seen him around noon but I may be wrong about when I learned that. I knew she had seen him.

Mr. Jenner.

Either in that conversation or any other conversation with Marina that you may have had, was the subject of Lee Oswald's attitude or

any comments he made mentioned?

Mrs. Paine.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

Nobody reported to you anything about any conversation they might or did have with Lee Oswald either on the 22d or 23d or even on the 24th of November 1963?

Mrs. Paine.

No. I am of the impression I again tried the home telephone of John Abt on Sunday morning, but I am not certain, and there was no answer. That I certainly remember.

Mr. Mccloy.

Did you ever reach Abt?

Mrs. Paine.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you ever attempt to report to Lee Oswald that you had been unable to reach Mr. Abt?

Mrs. Paine.

Not unless such transpired in our 9:30 conversation Saturday evening, but I made no effort to call the police station itself.

Mr. Jenner.

Excuse me?

Mrs. Paine.

I made no effort to call the police station.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you have at anytime any further conversations with Lee Oswald?

Mrs. Paine.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

Other than what you have now related?

Mrs. Paine.

That is right.

Mr. Mccloy.

Did you have any impression as to why he wanted Marina to come back with you? Was it in order to make her available for telephone calls from him or what?

Mrs. Paine.

What is distinctly my impression is that he thought she should be available. That it was she wasn't where he could find her that irritated him rather than that he thought this was the best place for her.

Representative Ford.

Did you know of Mr. Abt or was this just--

Mrs. Paine.

I had never heard of Mr. Abt before.

Representative Ford.

Never heard of him?

Mrs. Paine.

That is right.

Senator Cooper.

Did Marguerite Oswald explain any further, in the statement you said she made, about having too many obstacles or having obstacles or having troubles?

Mrs. Paine.

Are you referring to the statement on Friday night when she was at my home?

Senator Cooper.

No. I think you said a few minutes ago when she went to the hotel you called her and told her what Lee Oswald had told you to tell Marina.

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Senator Cooper.

I think you said she said something about--

Mrs. Paine.

"Well, he doesn't understand the things we are up against or things of this nature." What I remember most clearly is that she didn't seem to care whether he was told the truth or not.

Mr. Jenner.

What?

Mrs. Paine.

Well, that is perhaps a further statement, told the truth about--had it seemed to me a lack of respect on her part. She didn't care what his wishes were in the situation, in other words. And this sticks in my mind.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you have any conversation with Robert Oswald on the 22d, subsequent to the time that you met him when he first come to the police station?

Mrs. Paine.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you on the 23d of November?

Mrs. Paine.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

The 24th?

Mrs. Paine.

I believe the only other time I saw Robert was some 3 weeks or more later when he came with two other people to pick up the rest of Marina's things.