Mrs. Paine.

Are you still asking?

Mr. Jenner.

Yes.

Mrs. Paine.

No; you don't step down, perhaps 3 inches all together.

Mr. Jenner.

The floor of the garage and the floor of the kitchen are at a level?

Mrs. Paine.

Approximately at a level.

Mr. Jenner.

Why did you enter the garage on that occasion?

Mrs. Paine.

I was about to lacquer some children's large blocks, playing blocks.

Mr. Jenner.

These are blocks that you had cut at some other time?

Mrs. Paine.

I had cut them on the saw in the garage; yes; previously.

Mr. Jenner.

Proceed.

Representative Ford.

Mr. Jenner, may I ask a question there?

Mr. Jenner.

Yes.

Representative Ford.

Some people have a habit of turning lights on and off again regularly. Others are a little careless about it. Would you describe your attitude in this regard?

Mrs. Paine.

I am definitely a person with the habit of turning them off.

Representative Ford.

This is a trait that you have?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Representative Ford.

Now, if you were to go out from the kitchen to the garage,

is it easy for you as you go out the door to turn the light on?

Mrs. Paine.

And off; yes.

Representative Ford.

It is very simple for you to do so?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Representative Ford.

Both going out and coming in?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Representative Ford.

And as you go out on your right or left?

Mrs. Paine.

It is on my left as I go out of the garage.

Representative Ford.

And as you come in from the garage to the kitchen it is on your right.

Mrs. Paine.

As you come into the garage from the kitchen--

Mr. Mccloy.

When you are going out to the garage, on which side is it?

Mrs. Paine.

It is on my right.

Mr. Mccloy.

On your right. Coming out from the garage to the kitchen it is on your left?

Mrs. Paine.

That is what he said.

Mr. Mccloy.

You said it just the opposite, I think.

Representative Ford.

I thought I asked the question and she responded in the. reverse.

Mr. Mccloy.

Maybe.

Representative Ford.

And it surprised me a little bit. The record may show two different responses there.

Mr. Jenner.

Could we recover that now?

Mrs. Paine.

The switch is on the west doorjamb of that door between the two rooms.

Mr. Jenner.

Perhaps that may help, Mrs. Paine. When you are in the kitchen about to enter the garage, the doorway from the kitchen to the garage, and you are going to enter from the kitchen into the garage, where is the switch with respect to whether it is on you. r right side or your left side?

Mrs. Paine.

Just coming into the garage it is on my right side.

Mr. Jenner.

That is leaving your kitchen entering the garage it is on your right side. Now when you are in the garage. and you are about to enter the kitchen, the switch then is on your left? Is that correct?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Representative Ford.

That clarifies it. May I now ask in your observations of either Marina or Lee, were they the type that were conscious of turning light switches on or off? Was this an automatic reaction? Were they careless about it? What was their trait if you have any observation?

Mrs. Paine.

I don't recall any other time that the garage. light had been left on, and I would say certainly I saw enough of Marina to be able to state what I thought would be a trait, and she would normally turn off a light when she was done, in the room.