Mr. Frazier.

under that is the inscription "Made in Japan." It is a very inexpensive Japanese telescopic sight.
The mount attached to it was also made in Japan.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Have you removed the mount?

Mr. Frazier.

Yes, I have.

Mr. Eisenberg.

How many holes did you find drilled into the receiver?

Mr. Frazier.

There are two holes in the receiver.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Could you form an opinion as to whether these were original holes or whether new holes--new and larger holes had been formed over the original holes?

Mr. Frazier.

Normally, the receiver would have no holes at all, and would have to be drilled and tapped for the screws. In the sight itself there normally are three holes, two of which have been enlarged to accommodate the two mounting screws presently holding the mount to the rifle.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Do you think, based on your experience with types of screws

used in mounts, that these were the original screws and the original holes for the screws?

Mr. Frazier.

I could not say--I could not answer that specifically. However, they appear to be the same type of screw as is present on the rest of the mount--although they are somewhat larger in size than the remaining hole which is present in the lower portion of the mount.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Now, I now hand you a rifle which is marked C-250. Are you familiar with this rifle?

Mr. Frazier.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Can you describe it briefly?

Mr. Frazier.

It is an identical rifle physically to the rifle Commission's Exhibit 139, in that it is the same caliber, 6.5 mm. Mannlicher-Carcano Italian Military rifle Model 91/38.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Did you attempt to determine by use of this rifle whether the scope was mounted on Exhibit 139 by the firm which is thought to have sold Exhibit 139?

Mr. Frazier.

Would you repeat that, please?

Mr. Eisenberg.

Yes.
Did you make an attempt to determine, by use of this C-250, whether the firm which had sold Exhibit 139 had mounted the scope on Exhibit 139?

Mr. Frazier.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Can you describe how you made that attempt?

Mr. Frazier.

We contacted the firm, Klein's Sporting Goods in Chicago, and asked them concerning this matter to provide us with a similar rifle mounted in the way in which they normally mount scopes of this type on these rifles, and forward the rifle to us for examination.
In this connection, we did inform them that the scope should be in approximately this position on the frame of the weapon.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Pardon me, Mr. Frazier. When you say "this position," so that the record is clear could you--

Mr. Frazier.

Oh, yes; in the position in which it now is, approximately three-eighths of an inch to the rear of the receiver ring.

Mr. Eisenberg.

On the----

Mr. Frazier.

On the C-250 rifle.
When we received the rifle C-250, we examined the mount and found that two of the holes had been enlarged, and that screws had been placed through them and threaded into the receiver of the C-250 rifle.
The third hole in the mount had not been used.
We also found that an identical scope to the one on the Commission's rifle 139 was present on the C-250 rifle.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Were the screws used in mounting the C-250 rifle in mounting the scope on the C-250 rifle type of screws as those used in mounting the scope on Exhibit 139?

Mr. Frazier.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Eisenberg.

And the holes were the same dimensions?

Mr. Frazier.

Yes, they are. And the threads in the holes are the same.