Mr. Ball.

Did you go down to the police station later?

Mr. Callaway.

That evening.

Mr. Ball.

What time?

Mr. Callaway.

I think it was around 6:30 or 7 o'clock. I remember it was after dark.

Mr. Ball.

Did you go down there alone?

Mr. Callaway.

No. I went with Sam Guinyard, a colored porter of ours. He saw him, also.
(At this point, Representative Ford withdrew from the hearing room.)

Mr. Callaway.

We drove down. Officer--Detective Jim Leavelle met us, and took us into this room where they showed us the lineup.

Mr. Ball.

Now, before you went down there, had you seen any newspaper accounts of this incident?

Mr. Callaway.

No, sir; I had been out there on the lot. I hadn't seen a newspaper, hadn't even heard a radio, really.

Mr. Ball.

Had you seen any television?

Mr. Callaway.

No sir.

Mr. Ball.

Had you seen a picture of a man?

Mr. Callaway.

No.

Mr. Ball.

The officer show you any pictures?

Mr. Callaway.

No, sir.

Mr. Ball.

You went into a police lineup, in a room where they had a lineup of men?

Mr. Callaway.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

How many?

Mr. Callaway.

Four.

Mr. Ball.

And were they all the same size, or different sizes?

Mr. Callaway.

They were about the same build, but the man that I identified was the shortest one of the bunch.

Mr. Ball.

Were they anywhere near the same age?

Mr. Callaway.

They were about the same age, yes, sir. They looked-- you know.

Mr. Ball.

And you say you identified a man. How did you do that?

Mr. Callaway.

Well

Mr. Ball.

Tell us what happened.

Mr. Callaway.

We first went into the room. There was Jim Leavelle, the detective, Sam Guinyard, and then this busdriver and myself. We waited down there for probably 20 or 30 minutes. And Jim told us, "When I show you these guys, be sure,. take your time, see if you can make a positive identification."

Mr. Ball.

Had you known him before?

Mr. Callaway.

No. And he said, "We want to be sure, we want to try to wrap him up real tight on killing this officer. We think he is the same one that shot the President. But if we can wrap him up tight on killing this officer, we have got him." So they brought four men in.
I stepped to the back of the room, so I could kind of see him from the same distance which I had seen him before. And when he came out, I knew him.

Mr. Ball.

You mean he looked like the same man?

Mr. Callaway.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

About what distance was he away from you--the closest that he ever was to you?

Mr. Callaway.

About 56 feet.

Mr. Ball.

You measured that, did you?

Mr. Callaway.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Last Saturday morning?

Mr. Callaway.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Measured it with a tape measure?

Mr. Callaway.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Did he have the same clothes on in the lineup--did the man have the same clothes?

Mr. Callaway.

He had the same trousers and shirt, but he didn't have his jacket on. He had ditched his jacket.