Senator Cooper.

Did he hit you with the pistol?

Mr. Mcdonald.

No, sir.

Senator Cooper.

Did he point it towards you?

Mr. Mcdonald.

I don't know what position the gun was pointed out, whenever my hand was on it, because we were both grappling around there. But, as I say, the top of my hand was over on top of the pistol.

Senator Cooper.

To whom did you turn over the possession of the pistol?

Mr. Mcdonald.

Detective Bob Carroll. He had come into the aisle. Whenever I hollered, "I got him" immediately I was swarmed by officers.

Senator Cooper.

Did you mark the pistol at that time before you turned it over?

Mr. Mcdonald.

No, sir; I marked it at the police station.

Senator Cooper.

But you recognized it then as the same pistol you had identified today?

Mr. Mcdonald.

Yes, sir.

Senator Cooper.

That is all.

The Chairman.

Officer, you were in uniform that day?

Mr. Mcdonald.

Yes, sir.

The Chairman.

Did the blow he gave you on your nose leave any mark?

Mr. Mcdonald.

Well, for 2 days I had some swelling. It didn't break the skin or anything. Some of the force was taken by my top. It hit the bill of my cap and my nose.

The Chairman.

And the scratch from the corner of your eye down to the corner of your mouth came from the pistol?

Mr. Mcdonald.

Yes, sir. As I was taking the pistol away, clearing it from his body. Yes, sir.

The Chairman.

I think that is all. We are very glad you are able to be with us today.

Mr. Ball.

There is one thing.
I have marked an exhibit, 520.
(The document referred to was marked Commission Exhibit No. 520 for identification and received in evidence.)

Mr. Ball.

As he said he had not seen Oswald since, and I know this was taken-but I would like to ask him one question with reference to 520 for identification, and we will later provide an identification, proper identification for it.
Does that look like the man that you arrested in the Texas Theatre that day?

Mr. Mcdonald.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

And does it look like- well, of course, he had a shirt over that T-shirt.

Mr. Mcdonald.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

I have no further questions.

The Chairman.

Thank you very much, officer. We are glad you were able to be with us.
(Whereupon, at 4:30 p.m., the President's Commission recessed.)

The Chairman.

Thursday, March 26, 1964

Testimony of Mrs. Helen , William W. Scoggins, Markham

The Chairman.

The President's Commission met at 9:10 a.m. on March 26, 1964, at 200 Maryland Avenue NE., Washington, D.C.
Present were Chief Justice Earl Warren, Chairman; Representative Gerald R. Ford and Allen W. Dulles, members.