Mr. Ball.

Now, here is a picture of that marked stairway. Can you orient yourself from that picture?

Mr. Mooney.

Let's see. Here is the staircase right in here. If I remember right, the gun was either in this crack or this one here. I don't remember which.

Mr. Ball.

Does that show you about the number of cartons around?

Mr. Mooney.

Yes, sir; that is the way it looked; sure did, because I had to stand up back here, before I could see over off in there.

Mr. Ball.

And when you did look down there between the cartons, was the gun----

Mr. Mooney.

It was sitting in that position. The scope was up.

Mr. Ball.

As shown in 514?

Mr. Mooney.

Yes, sir. That is the way it was laying, in that position.

Senator Cooper.

It was lying on the floor?

Mr. Mooney.

Yes, sir.

Senator Cooper.

With the scope on the upper side?

Mr. Mooney.

The scope in upright position. The stock was back to the east. In other words, the gun was pointed west.

Mr. Ball.

Did a photographer come up and take pictures when you were there?

Mr. Mooney.

There was a number of photographers up there shooting pictures.
Who they were or who they represented--I assume it was the press.

Mr. Ball.

How long were they there?

Mr. Mooney.

They were there when all these officers and everybody was up there.

Mr. Ball.

I have no further questions.

Senator Cooper.

How far was it from the place where the gun was found, from where you first saw the rifle, to the window?

Mr. Mooney.

You mean how far was it from the gun to the window?

Senator Cooper.

Yes; where you saw the shells.

Mr. Mooney.

Well, it was clear across the entire sixth floor, thereabouts. In other words, if you take the location from where the shells were found, they were in the southeast corner. And this was in the far northwest corner. Just right there at the staircase.
And the distance across there, I just don't know how far it is, but it is quite a large warehouse floor.

Mr. Ball.

I have no further questions. I would like to offer the exhibits up to 515, inclusive. May this witness be excused?

The Chairman.

Any questions, Senator Cooper?

Senator Cooper.

As you examined these exhibits, you gave your best judgment, your recollection of the location of the boxes and the shells.

Mr. Mooney.

Yes, sir. The way I remember, sir, is---

Senator Cooper.

The chicken and the paper bag?

Mr. Mooney.

Yes, sir. I do remember that the one box was tilted off, laying partially over on the legs.

Senator Cooper.

That was the box which you said you observed a crease in?

Mr. Mooney.

Yes, sir. Just very slight, very slight.

Senator Cooper.

Is that the box which was the top box?

Mr. Mooney.

The way I remember, the two boxes and the third one was the one tilted off. It looked like it possibly could have been knocked off from a movement, because it wasn't naturally placed that way by hand for any purpose, because it wouldn't have had any purpose, to my knowledge.

Senator Cooper.

Let the exhibits which have been offered be admitted in evidence.
(The documents heretofore marked for identification as Commission Exhibits Nos. 508 through 515, were received in evidence.)

Mr. Mooney.

In other words, if you just run against it, you would have knocked it off.

The Chairman.

Thank you very much for coming, sir. You have been very

helpful.

Mr. Ball.

Our next witness is Deputy Sheriff Boone.

Eugene Boone